Thought Provoking... God Made Everything

[DjCiD]

God Made Everything

The college professor challenged the class with this question. "Did God make everything there is?"

One student bravely answered, "Yes!"

"Everything, young man?"

"Yes, he did, sir," the young man replied.

The professor responded, "If God made everything, then God made evil, and if we can only create from within ourselves, then God is evil."

The student didn't have a response and the professor was happy to have once again proved the Christian faith to be a myth.

Then another man raised his hand and asked, "May I ask you something, sir?"

"Yes, you may," responded the professor.

The young man stood up and said "Sir, is there such thing as cold?"

"Of course there is, what kind of a question is that? Haven't you ever been cold?"

The young man replied, "Actually, sir, cold does not exist. What we consider to be cold, is really only the absence of heat. Absolute zero is when there is absolutely no heat, but cold does not really exist. We have only created that term to describe how we feel when heat is not there."

The young man continued, "Sir, is there such thing as dark?"

Once again, the professor responded "Of course there is."

And once again, the student replied. "Actually, sir, darkness does not exist. Darkness is really only the absence of light. Darkness is only a term man developed to describe what happens when there is no light present."

Finally, the young man asked, "Sir, is there such thing as evil?"

The professor responded, "Of course. We have rapes, and murders and violence everywhere in the world, those things are evil."

The student replied, "Actually, sir, evil does not exist. Evil is simply the absence of God. Evil is a term man developed to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. It isn't like truth, or love, which exist asvirtues like heat and light. Evil is simply the state where God is not present, like cold without heat or darkness without light."

The professor had nothing to say.

Author Unknown

[nemafakei]

But what is to say that good is not the privative, and evil the difference from the norm - indeed genesis seems to suggest that 'good' is standard, and it was god's placing of the tree which disrupted it...

[Acriku]

The student didn't have a response and the professor was happy to have once again proved the Christian faith to be a myth.

Watch out for the big bad atheist professor! He'll get you Jesus-loving youngin's! ::)

"Of course there is, what kind of a question is that? Haven't you ever been cold?"

Any professor not smoking crack would know there is no such thing as cold, and that it is the lack of heat.

The young man replied, "Actually, sir, cold does not exist. What we consider to be cold, is really only the absence of heat. Absolute zero is when there is absolutely no heat, but cold does not really exist. We have only created that term to describe how we feel when heat is not there."

Oooh, the young man is smarter than the professor - he caught him at a trick question! This means that whatever he says later is true! Keep this in mind.

Once again, the professor responded "Of course there is."

Again, smoking crack.

And once again, the student replied. "Actually, sir, darkness does not exist. Darkness is really only the absence of light. Darkness is only a term man developed to describe what happens when there is no light present."

That's two in a row! This is wonderful. I am glued to the screen at what else this gem of knowledge is going to truthfully say next!

Finally, the young man asked, "Sir, is there such thing as evil?"

Uh oh, the climax. It's building up! I can't wait!

The professor responded, "Of course. We have rapes, and murders and violence everywhere in the world, those things are evil."

Never minding the fact that evil is subjective, and doesn't exist objectively...But we'll go on.

The student replied, "Actually, sir, evil does not exist. Evil is simply the absence of God. Evil is a term man developed to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. It isn't like truth, or love, which exist asvirtues like heat and light. Evil is simply the state where God is not present, like cold without heat or darkness without light."

This is what the student has been waiting to say! It should be true, let me read it... What! Evil does not exist?! But God made evil himself, in Genesis! Surely this kid reads his bible? And wouldn't evil be the absence of good? This is a philosophical question, I wonder what class this is. Evil cannot be the absence of God because if God cannot be evil because he says what is evil and good, then he cannot be good either.

The professor had nothing to say.

The student got him! Yes! Score 1 for the Jesus-lovers! In your face atheist! Too bad the professor was smoking crack to realize he should have had something to say.

[Anathema]

As you can see Nema, DJ locked this thread for a reason.

[Dante]

It's locked?

And actually some scientists think there is such a thng as dark. It's made up of particles called 'noctons' and they travel faster than the speed of light.

In which case there might be such a thing as cold...

I do wonder though why the absence of something positive is the same as a negative. If we look at it mathmatically we can see that it is possible to have something that is not positive and is not a negative. It's called "zero."

Cold is another matter. Chemically it's just when there is no kinetic energy or infra-red light (both of which provide heat). And nobody has yet put forward a theory for that. Yet 'cold' does exist as it is a feeling in our nerves. A unique electrical signal that equals cold. It's a feeling. Thus 'darkness,' even if noctons don't exist, is something similar. It is when our eyes pick up too little light to form a picture, and thus transport another unique electrical signal through the optic and other nerves to the brain. An electrical signal is 'dark.' Which, when you come down to it, is all anything is. Including evil.

Who needs religion when you can have science?

Idiot student, thinking he's so damn clever... dimwit...

[TMA_1]

it has a lot of holes, I would tend to agree with nema.

Evil is what we create out of our own nature, that simple. God created us, satan made the first evil act out of his own free will.

[Hawat]

Gosh... It's just a standard christian parable. Why am i always seeing people descending their throne of wisdom to rip it into pieces?

[Acriku]

Dust, I was going to mention something along the lines of dark existing, but I didn't know enough so I just passed it on. Good work, though.

Hawat, because they make it too easy :P

[TMA_1]

it isnt a matter of ripping something to pieces, if it is not good, then I will say so.lol

[Acriku]

Reminds me of the same characters, but includes dropping chalk, ending in the professor running away from the room because something happened that wasn't expected to and the conquering student starts telling people about Jesus. It was really dumb.

[Egeides]

Acriku, am I wrong if I say that the only argument you gave against this is "good is relative"?

If I,m right, then I think that whattever what is "good", bad will be its absence. So you didn't countered it I think.

[Acriku]

Well to be technical, I had other arguments. But they were more of poking fun.

Actually, I checked back at my Bible (yes I found one lurking in my house, the sneaky little thing!), and it doesn't seem to say that god made evil. I'm not sure where I got the information that he did it in the first place, so I'm confused about that. But leave that aside for now. If there are good things, and there are bad things, are there not neutral things? Things of no consequence beneficial or negative? It is thus that bad and good are separate things, not the lack of the other.

[Hawat]

TMA, i didn't adress you with my post.

The only verse i recall about "neutrality" is this "everything what don't come from god comes from the devil" (Sorry i don't remember the verse, but im pretty sure that you know what i mean). Actually i don't know how to use this, i encounter things in my every day life that are not "from god" in particular (or not on the first look), but im pretty sure they won't damage me. So i don't think you should generalize this verse by saying "everything that is not *christian*, is from the devil".

[Caid Ivik]

That is a good question, Acriku. What is neutral? Maybe those are things, which lack God as well, but don't need Him for their benefit just after they are created. They are passive parts of the world, ruled by natural laws, unable to give a benefit without human mind. Stones perhaps. But evil is done by human, on whom is that story based.

[Acriku]

Hawat, I hope that doesn't refer to me because it makes no sense with what I said.

[Hawat]

Well i adressed everyone who started pointing out the weaknesses. The weak spots are obvious, but that doesn't matter - it's just a parable. For me it's just the same starting to criticize the unrealism of Kafka's parables (of the Doorkeeper e.g.) or similar. Some parables are far more accurate than others - that's it. Well now that i know that you posted more for poking i have to excuse - i was just a little embarassed.

[nemafakei]

"As you can see Nema, DJ locked this thread for a reason."

Did he? No-one told me he locked it.

[Anathema]

Well the first time I saw the thread it was locked and I assumed Cid locked it because he didn't want to start some religion debate. The next time I visited it had been unlocked and you had replied, so I assumed that you had unlocked it.

So who did unlock it?

[Andrew]

"Of course there is, what kind of a question is that? Haven't you ever been cold?"

Any professor not smoking crack would know there is no such thing as cold, and that it is the lack of heat.

I would have to agree there, that is a prime example of the lack of something. Maybe it was a lecturer instead of a professor?

So if evil was the abscence of God, then God cannot be everywhere or anywhere at once?

[Dante]

'Cold' and 'dark' are both electrical signals interpreted by the brain. Thus so is the concept of 'evil.' It is (for most people) an unpleasant, foul, abhorrant feeling that we wish did not exist. And yet it is so much a part of us that our brains have a specific signal for it. And our brains were (supposedly) created by god. So why give them a sense for evil? Surely god cannot have created this image that we have of evil?

Conclusion: God created our perception of evil, thus god created evil, thus god is not all good, thus god refutes all teachings refering to god which are supposedly his own... thus god is either a hypocrite or nonexistant.

[Caid Ivik]

Dust Scout, as God created pain, would we say He is a tyran? Pain, as well as conscience (detector of evil), is a defense system, which helps us to detect the threat and react negativelly to way, which alarmed the pain. Things around us don't exist only in our brain, they ARE, materially or just influentally (like cold; it is a characteristic).

[quoudam72]

Face the facts God created evil even if man does not understand the reasons why. If Satan is evil and God created Satan then God created evil because he created Satan. He may have not made him evil directly (Satan) but remember God "knows" everything. And with that God "knew" that Satan would do evil things and encourge men to do evil things, therefore he indirectly created evil. So it is not a matter of if but why and that is another discussion.

[Scrinlord]

Without evil, there can be no good. If you lived the perfect life, and never once in your life did you experiance anything detrimental towards you, you would not know that you had a perfect life, because you have nothing to compare it to.

[Acriku]

With god's omnipotence, we can.

[quoudam72]

God is the "clockmaker" he built the clock and set up the laws governing the clock it runs accordingly.

What do you mean with god's omnipotence? Explain such a statement that I may understand your opinion better.