Battle tanks and fighters

[Avrillian_Sard01]

Hmm...I wonder if they put the biggest tank in the world in the Guiness (sp?) Book of World Records?

Dang Google! >:(

[hide]Terribly unreliable when searching for something specific...[/hide]

Putting curses aside, I wonder if you know of any website w/c says some facts about it? That and the 2 cannons on a turret tank...

Hmmm...the T-26 reminds me of a certain tank... Where have I seen it before? Oh yeah! GLA's Scorpion Tank! ;D

[lowzeewee]

5 turrets??????????????????? WTF?How can the mass not crush the tank itself ;D

[Cyborg]

I assume they didn't shoot with all turrets exactly at the same time...

That's why it could handle it.

[Ice_Cube]

5 turrets? Thats not exactly cost effective is it?

BTW: Cyborg, I feel so sorry about registering before you on this forum and stealing your avatar before you have even registered :P ;D

[Caid Ivik]

I wonder......what is the biggest tank in the world ???

And speaking of big tanks, was there an attempt to put 2 cannons on a single tank turret? (Think RA1's Heavy Tank)

Biggest tank was WW2 German tank project Maus. 188 t weight, 12 in crew, with one 120 mm cannon. Max speed was about 21 kph. Built were about three prototypes, do to its unusability and enormous fuel requirements was never produced in suitable numbers.

http://www.panzer.punkt.pl/soldat/maus2.jpg

Israeli Merkava is armed with one 120 mm cannon and one 60 mm mortar. Germans made also some double cannon projects, but they were useless. Every shot from a big gun makes a big recoil effect, so two same cannons are useless, rate of fire has to be same.

http://www.math.tau.ac.il/~turkel/merkava.jpg

[Anathema]

The heaviest tank was the Maus II. 192 tons, but never made it past the experimental stage.

Largest operational tank was the French Char de Rupture from 1922, 75 tons.

[Caid Ivik]

Maus II? Do you have an image? As Maus was made in 1943, I doubt there were more such works...

[Anathema]

Lol Caid, one of the images you just posted is from a Maus II ;)

[Avrillian_Sard01]

The heaviest tank was the Maus II. 192 tons, but never made it past the experimental stage.

Largest operational tank was the French Char de Rupture from 1922, 75 tons.

Any pics of the Char de Rupture? Wow...The Maus looks like a Rhino Tank, w/ a crew of an Apoc/Mammoth Tank... :P

[thomas]

rhino? not hte warhammer 40,000 one right?

[Avrillian_Sard01]

Yep, I meant the RA2 tank... ;D Hmmm...I guess that the Maus was unusable due to the fact that it was using a diesel engine and w/ its weight w/c causes major fuel requirements...but what if... Just a thought...a small nuke reactor on the tank... I wonder if they still have that prototype or mock-up at the very least?

Just went to find any pics of the Char de Rupture... This is what the word meant:

Breakthrough tanks-Those are tanks made to go and pierce the enemy frontline...

[Anathema]

Hey, who deleted my last post? What was wrong with it?

[Caid Ivik]

http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v2/v2n1/char2c.gif

Has that rear cannon same use as on T-35 (you know, against revolts...)? ;D

Anyway, 75 was a milimeter caliber of its main cannon. Largest serial tank (preciously tank interceptor, panzerjager) was Jagdtiger, slow, unwieldy, but powerful vehicle with weight about 80 tons, about 10 more than original Tiger II on which chassis was based (largest russian tank, IS-2 was 47 t heavy), carrying 128 mm naval cannon (for comparement: T-72 has 125 and Abrams 120 mm cannon), maximum speed was nearly 35 kph. Those Germans had no idea about limits of roads and bridges...

http://www.csuniv.edu/Academics/HistPolSci/hist_images/JAGDTIGER.JPG

Lol Caid, one of the images you just posted is from a Maus II ;)

What are the modifications comparing to Maus I? I see no difference.

[lowzeewee]

Can a normal tank turret fire on aircraft flying low in the air ???

[IxianMace]

Depends on what you mean by 'normal tank turret'. Turrets come in many forms on tanks. If you're talking about fighting ground tanks like M1A2's or T-80's etc, etc, then the answer would be no. Unless the aircraft was flying very low (around 50ft), a normal combat tank wouldn't be able to fire on it. Even if the aircraft was low enough to the ground for the tank to be able to fire on it, getting a hit on a low flying fast moving aircraft with an unguided tank shell would require quite a bit of luck, as far as I'm concerned.

Then you have the 'AAA' battery tanks. An example of this would be the ZSU-27 anti-aircraft battery. It's turret consists of 4 chainguns mounted on top of the tracked chassis. The turret is radar guided, and I think it can swivel one full revolution and point up into the sky as high as necessary. These types of tanks are very dangerous to low flying aircraft, and are usually employed in areas where aircraft are forced to fly low to evade radar and SAM sites.

[Avrillian_Sard01]

Oh, so you meant a WWI landship-type tank... Hmmm...looks like the basis for the Harkonnen Flame Tank... :P

http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v2/v2n1/char2c.gif

Has that rear cannon same use as on T-35 (you know, against revolts...)? ;D

Anyway, 75 was a milimeter caliber of its main cannon. Largest serial tank (preciously tank interceptor, panzerjager) was Jagdtiger, slow, unwieldy, but powerful vehicle with weight about 80 tons, about 10 more than original Tiger II on which chassis was based (largest russian tank, IS-2 was 47 t heavy), carrying 128 mm naval cannon (for comparement: T-72 has 125 and Abrams 120 mm cannon), maximum speed was nearly 35 kph. Those Germans had no idea about limits of roads and bridges...

http://www.csuniv.edu/Academics/HistPolSci/hist_images/JAGDTIGER.JPG

Woah...cool for wallpaper... ;D

Also, IxianMace, there are some AA tanks w/c employ SAM's (In other words, to take the aircraft out as early as you can...) SAM's have greater range... Unfortunately, the weakness of this is that it can be jammed (Radar SAM's w/ aluminium chaff, Heat-seeker SAM's w/ flares.) Both SAM's and AAA battery tanks are a good choice, why not use them both? (W/ using one or the other as a failsafe or something...)

[Caid Ivik]

Many tanks, especially light or multipurpose ones like M2A1 Bradley can carry hand SAMs. Also all russian models after T-80 can fire guided AT-4 (or 9M114 I think) missile, which is also good against assault helicopters or CAS planes.

[Anathema]

The M2 is not really a tank- then again, I'm not sure what we should call it.

The Russian tanks can fire 9M117 missiles. I could be wrong, but I thought that the T-72 can also fire them.

The Jagdtiger was pretty sluggish. It's not a mistake only the Germans made though. The M26 Pershing and the IS-3 were severely underpowered for tanks that size.

[Caid Ivik]

Jagdtiger was an interceptor, armored self-propelled gun for attacks, not classic tank with turret and good mobility. Bradley is an APC with abilities of light tank (fast reloading cannon, also good speed).

T-72 cannot fire missiles, only unpropelled bullets.

[Cyborg]

Bradley is an APC with abilities of light tank (fast reloading cannon, also good speed).

Equivalent of the BMP and BMP2?

The first one is an APC with the abilities of a light tank, with good speed and poor armor. The second one is like the first one but equipped with missiles against ground and air units.

[Caid Ivik]

BMP? Is that english equivalent of our acronym BVP, infantry fightning vehicle? Bradley has 40mm fast-firing cannon and can carry a Stinger missile launcher.