Battle for Dune is Like Battle for Iraq

[Navaros]

USA is like the Evil Harkonnen, and Iraq is like the Noble Atreides.

As most Harks do in Emperor, USA is rushing Iraq before they are ready; before they have had time to establish enough of a defense to make it a fair fight. Just as House Harkonnen has no regard for the morality of such unfair rushing, nor does the USA.

The fighting is all about Oil Very similar to Dune being all about Spice. He who controls the Oil, controls the Universe just as he who controls the Spice, controls the Universe.

As Harkonnen are known for their deviant alliances with other dirty, lowly sub-Houses and mercenaries, the USA has also made such alliances and added them into the fray. Of course, this makes the odds ludicrously less fair. It's not even 1vs1 as the Noble Atreides would do have it if they were to attack.

USA, like Harkonnen, is using it's powerful black air vehicles to easily blow up any buildings they target.

USA like Harkonnen, is killing it's own soldiers due to carelessness and incompetence, but when this happens, the USA, just as Hark, does not care. These "casualties" can be "laughed off" and forgotten about. The important thing, the only thng that matters, is to capture the Oil/Spice for the general benefit of the House. Soldiers carelessly wasted in this process are irrelevant.

USA, exactly as House Harkonnen, uses it's diabolical missiles to launch cowardly attacks against people-filled buildings which have no way fight back.

...if anyone else has more similatires between Battle for Dune and Battle for Iraq, post them in this thread. ;D

[Egeides]

Well the problem here is that you have the bad guys against... other bad guys. So no Atreides here. But you do have petroleum, even if in this case it is energy and not prescience that comes out of it.

[TMA_1]

the oil must flow eh? sorry dumb joke.lol

I get the feeling that you are making these posts as a front arohk.

[Navaros]

no fair, this thread belongs on the Emperor board where i originally posted it :(

[Acriku]

Why in the hell would we want a fair fight? This isn't a noble war, this isn't the Medieval Ages where fighting war had to be fair, to show that they are worthy. This is war. War is hell. There is no need for a fair fight in this world. It's militarily stupid as hell, and unthinkable.

[lowzeewee]

either rush the enemy or get rushed.Just like in Emperor

[SurlyPIG]

Ok I was a little skeptical at first but that HAS to be Navaros.

[TMA_1]

Why in the hell would we want a fair fight? This isn't a noble war, this isn't the Medieval Ages where fighting war had to be fair, to show that they are worthy. This is war. War is hell. There is no need for a fair fight in this world. It's militarily stupid as hell, and unthinkable.

He is right, and not only that, we follow the geniva convention. The countries we usually fight against dont do anything of the sort. If you knew how the people we fought against in history treated us, you would sing a different tune.

I do agree with you though that america has a lot of trouble making deals and alliances with nations.

[lowzeewee]

if u need to wait for yr opponents to be as strong as u before u make a move,then there might as well be no war :)

[Egeides]

Does this include the case of Israel, which broke more UN stuff and is now 3rd armament producer worldwide? ;D

[lowzeewee]

If UN is violating UN laws,then why doesnt USA attack Israel then,UN is just bias towards USA as they are main donater to the UN

[nampigai]

USA is like the Evil Harkonnen, and Iraq is like the Noble Atreides.

As most Harks do in Emperor, USA is rushing Iraq before they are ready; before they have had time to establish enough of a defense to make it a fair fight. Just as House Harkonnen has no regard for the morality of such unfair rushing, nor does the USA.

The fighting is all about Oil Very similar to Dune being all about Spice. He who controls the Oil, controls the Universe just as he who controls the Spice, controls the Universe.

As Harkonnen are known for their deviant alliances with other dirty, lowly sub-Houses and mercenaries, the USA has also made such alliances and added them into the fray. Of course, this makes the odds ludicrously less fair. It's not even 1vs1 as the Noble Atreides would do have it if they were to attack.

USA, like Harkonnen, is using it's powerful black air vehicles to easily blow up any buildings they target.

USA like Harkonnen, is killing it's own soldiers due to carelessness and incompetence, but when this happens, the USA, just as Hark, does not care. These "casualties" can be "laughed off" and forgotten about. The important thing, the only thng that matters, is to capture the Oil/Spice for the general benefit of the House. Soldiers carelessly wasted in this process are irrelevant.

USA, exactly as House Harkonnen, uses it's diabolical missiles to launch cowardly attacks against people-filled buildings which have no way fight back.

...if anyone else has more similatires between Battle for Dune and Battle for Iraq, post them in this thread. ;D

and I wont even comment on what you are like Arokh, until now the US and British haven't hit any people filled buildings (on porpuse), but ok you are allowed to have you own opinion.

I'm sorry though, I fail to see the resemblance between the Duke and Saddam. Lets wait and see before you condemn hopefully the US will let the oil be for the Iraqi people who will need it to rebuild their country. As for the democratition (if there is such a word) I think it would be a hard proces is Iraq doesn't have any foundation for it.

[Guest Eric E.]

The fighting is all about Oil Very similar to Dune being all about Spice. He who controls the Oil, controls the Universe just as he who controls the Spice, controls the Universe.

Look at the figures and you will see that it cannot be about oil.

Moreover: Bush reelection lobby is not interested in lower oil prices.

[Sardauker-Kirov]

Honor has disappeared after the invention of the Crossbow and Firearms.

( Yes, they used Crossbows to kill important people in the medieval ages. It was like a sniper rifle. )

But even in the medieval ages, some countries did not have honor.

In the modern days, honor has completely disappeared.

I never liked the politics of America and Saddam is just as evil as the American politics.

And I hope that the Iraqi civilians will survive the 'cough'bombardment'cough' of the Americans.

I thought they were liberating the city ??

[DukeLeto]

Iraq, a noble, kind house which treats all it's people fairly? Oh come on, I don't think even Edric thinks that.

[Dunenewt]

I see the Fremen as the Kurds/Shi'ite muslims who are persecuted by the Harkonnens (Iraq) and USA has come to help them

[Acriku]

Kirov who the hell cares about honor, honor was when people fought within a contained battle field, and no one else was affected. Today, the entire world can be destroyed, there is simply no room for honor, except following the Geneva rules.

[Sardauker-Kirov]

And what was I saying?

"Honor DISAPPEARED"

Even the so called "Geneva" rules disappeared.

Do you really expect the Iraqi or USA soldiers to wait before Paratroopers has landed in front of them.

No, they won't. Both sides will destroy any incoming enemy.

There is simply no rules in war, it's all about the winning and heck, there is a reason for that. They want to survive...

Right now, Iraqi can use Nuclear weapons if they got them. They are crazy enough to use it, even if it breaks the 'rules'

[Warlord Ripskar]

The notion of honourable conduct in warfare is a myth.

Aside from King Arthur no war has been conducted in "fair" terms, EVER. Occasionly someone manages to turn the tables and beat the odds but even the Sumerians used "superior technology" to defeat their foes. (Though cutting edge technology at this point was the development of putting an ass in front of a cart)

[Mahdi]

Aside from "King Arthur"? You're kidding, right? Or do you mean that only in myths like King Arthur was war ever honourable?

[Miles]

Honor has NOT dissapeared in modern warfare. Superior technology and numbers have ALWAYS been used in warfare.

In fact, our troops have recently been bitten in the ass by their honor. In our attempts to be merciful in allowing Iraqi soldiers to surrender, we were attacked by soldiers taking advantage of this by faking surrender. I think that the fact that we risk these kind of attacks in order to ensure that the Iraqis have the chance to surrender peacefully only shows the lengths that we will go to be honorable.

POW's are also treated very well. For the most part, we simply make them give up their arms then return home. Others are detained but given water, food and shelter. I would say that this is a just a tad more honorable than the Iraqis excecuting and parading POW's in front of a camera.

The fact that we are dropping bombs that cost us a million dollars a peace just for the sake of limiting civilian casualties instead of carpet bombing which would cost us a fraction of the money shows our dedication to precisely attacking legitimate targets and avoiding civilian targets and shows the honor that we are trying to uphold.

Remember also, that this in NO way was a suprise attack. The Iraqis were given 48 hours of warning to the beginning of hostilities and Saddam Hussein was given ample opportunity to prevent this.

Would the Atreides use human shields? Would the Harkonnens spend outrageous amounts of money in order to limit civilian casualties when much cheaper methods could be used? Your comparison falls through in the light of logic.

[Sardauker-Kirov]

That 'fake' surrendering is used so many times in war.

But just because a few soldiers use the 'fake' surrendering, that doesn't mean the whole nation is sneaky and backstabbing.

And the Americans are trained enough to take care of 'fake' surrendering from the enemy. No wait, they let the enemy walk to them with guns still in their hands.

They are bombing military targets right? Then why the heck are innocent civilians dying from attacks on the city? I've seen on the news that the city is under attack by bombing from American planes.

Isn't precision bombing more helpful to the people?

Look, 95% of Iraq is with Saddam. Some of his soldiers are brainwashed enough to die for him or even forced.

No person with the right mind will die for Saddam's tiranny.

And once again, I hope that America will free Iraq from Saddam's iron fist, with minimal 'civilian' casualties.

[Navaros]

All the people in Iraq love Saddam. That's why they are still there. Those who don't like him all ran away to North America and anyone who doesn't like him has had ample opportunity to do that. North America takes *anyone* in, most especially Canada.

He got 100% of the Vote in Iraq's last election. The people love him so much, and that such love is incomprehensible by Western Society and they are jealous that their own society is too mentally inept to uniformly stand behind a great leader of their own, since no great leaders exist in North America. Just average joes with lots of $$$ who are all pretty much the same, hence the people are not allegiant to any one.

Saddam is like the Noble Duke Atreides; all his people love him and are loyal to him to the Death. Bush is exactly like Baron Harkonnen, a deviant, immoral, power-hungry savage with incredible military force behind him, but with an undisciplined and disloyal following. Some of his own psychotic troops even blow up their own battalion and kill their best friends, just as would be expected from House Harkonnen.

The similarites between USA and House Harkonnen are uncanny. Perhaps it's an Omen, or something. :O

[exatreide]

The Similarities between you and a retard are high.

Any one who tries to leave gets shot.

The reason he won the last election was becouse if any one voted for anyone else they got shot. Your a moron and your presence in this universe sickens me beyond words.

[Dude_Doc]

USA is like the Evil Harkonnen, and Iraq is like the Noble Atreides.

If memory serves me, the Atreides troops do never surrender.

As most Harks do in Emperor, USA is rushing Iraq before they are ready; before they have had time to establish enough of a defense to make it a fair fight. Just as House Harkonnen has no regard for the morality of such unfair rushing, nor does the USA.

The USA wants the war to be trough as soon as possible. The Iraqis are surrendering as we speak...

The fighting is all about Oil Very similar to Dune being all about Spice. He who controls the Oil, controls the Universe just as he who controls the Spice, controls the Universe.

There are lots of other energy sources. Oil is primary for now, and we can't recreate it so that it lasts for millenia. The spice can because of the worms. If everyone wakes up tomorrow and decides to buy a car based on another energy source, sun-energy/power cells, the one who controlled the oil would be pretty much pissed off.

As Harkonnen are known for their deviant alliances with other dirty, lowly sub-Houses and mercenaries, the USA has also made such alliances and added them into the fray. Of course, this makes the odds ludicrously less fair. It's not even 1vs1 as the Noble Atreides would do have it if they were to attack.

So you believe what the UK did during WW2 was wrong? Would you support House Hitler instead?

USA, like Harkonnen, is using it's powerful black air vehicles to easily blow up any buildings they target.

Yes, military installations. What the Harkonnen did not do before they attacked was to warn the "enemy". The US did, and they had enough time to surrender and get out. They didn't.

USA like Harkonnen, is killing it's own soldiers due to carelessness and incompetence, but when this happens, the USA, just as Hark, does not care. These "casualties" can be "laughed off" and forgotten about. The important thing, the only thng that matters, is to capture the Oil/Spice for the general benefit of the House. Soldiers carelessly wasted in this process are irrelevant.

Really? They don't care about the losses? Check Fox News, and you will see proof of that they do. But in the long end, did the allies care about 10 troops dying during WW2? Do you mourn when 10 units die in E: Battle for Dune?

USA, exactly as House Harkonnen, uses it's diabolical missiles to launch cowardly attacks against people-filled buildings which have no way fight back.

The people, as the soldiers, had enough time to get to underground basements for cover. They knew they could get out. The US don't bomb building because they think it is fun, they bomb to make sure the enemy is weakened and destroyed as soon as possible, so that the people can have peace.

...if anyone else has more similatires between Battle for Dune and Battle for Iraq, post them in this thread.

Yes. Saddam's Reign is House Harkonnen. Like the Harkonnens, the Baron Hussein kills his own people for fun, either executing "suspected" spies, or testing gas on them. Like the Harkonnens, Hussein enslaves his own people and commands them to love him and work for him. Like the Harkonnens, Hussein invades a weak country, without any reason, and kills numerous people there, with no absolute reason. Hussein does also hunger for oil, and the dream that he will once control the whole Middle East (Landsraad). Just like on Giedi Prime, people live in fear each day. And just like Vladimir Harkonnen, Saddam just loves "the Godfather" and smoking cigars, drinking expensive whisky and so on. As more of the world turns against the United States, we can get the perspective that the US=Atreides, because the Atreides also have a lot of preassure in the books :P .