Weaponry

[exatreide]

The samuari would only have one chance(draw and slash), miss it, he loses.

Depends on the situation.

If the samurai and axeman just met eye to eye, the samurai would have fair odds(I am talking about a light weapon like katana, not a wakisashi. That would give the samurai great rate of slashing. The axeman need a little bit of time to recover from blows + a littlebit more to raise his axe from a chop.), but the axeman would also have fair odds.

If the axeman and samurai met on a distance, the axeman could charge and knock the samurai down or kill him in one blow.

You dont have to raise the axe again after the first blow, you just flip your wrist and drive it at him again,(That is if he blocked ur first blow with his blade or shield, just rapidly keep hitting his shield or weapon and it will not alow him to strike back at you right away, giving you time to slash at his throat ect.)And it would take him a moment to recover from the great amount of energy a Axe puts out.

Ok, Lets say I do a overhead slash down at your head. You raise your little "Katana" thing up to block it,

I Am slashing Downword, With a Axe, Which is heavier than a "Katana" Unless you put out a termendous amount of energy and somehow over come the weight of the axe, which his heavier than a Katana The inertia factor, and the force that I am putting into it, And successfully block it, then you could jab at my chest, or neck becouse it would take me a moment to recover.(that is of course only if you over came all of those factors I just stated) And in that moment you have a open wedge to strike.

But if you come up to block it, and the axe nocks your Katana down,(The most likely one due the the things i stated eailer) then a simple strike into your chest, or upwords at your head, and that would be the end of you. :-*

That is of course if they used a overhead downword strike, which wasnt the best plan against a swordsmen, Strike, strike, Strike, Strike strike, You alwas have to be on the offesnive with a axe, dont stop atacking, or you will alow them to recover and strike you, as the axe is a poor choice for a defensive weapon,

It has its advanteges and its disadvanteges. but IMO the good out weighs the bad. a bersker could easily handle a Katana Weilding Samuri

[nemafakei]

"And it would take him a moment to recover from the great amount of energy a Axe puts out"

Energy in is never greater than energy out, Ex. For all the energy he is dealt, you will have to have put in as much energy, which fatigues your own arm.

Ex, you consider parrying, but not dodging. A large, cumbersome cretan axe as you describe would not be too difficult to dodge (let alone the chanc of you missing); even light, flicky weapons can be avoided, if you take care.

Moreover, I question the ability to hit at speed with as large a weapon as a double-edged axe; you'd need to be immesely to strong...

"it would take me a moment to recover"

As you have already pointed out, the inertia of a large axe would make it go a long way; how do you stop it, and get another hit in?

[TMA_1]

I personally was talking face to face with a guy. In that case, a long, double handed weapon is hard to control. A person with a small sword or a dagger could move in to where you cannot attack, and then you would get it.lol

[Cyborg]

"And it would take him a moment to recover from the great amount of energy a Axe puts out"

Energy in is never greater than energy out, Ex. For all the energy he is dealt, you will have to have put in as much energy, which fatigues your own arm.

Ex, you consider parrying, but not dodging. A large, cumbersome cretan axe as you describe would not be too difficult to dodge (let alone the chanc of you missing); even light, flicky weapons can be avoided, if you take care.

Moreover, I question the ability to hit at speed with as large a weapon as a double-edged axe; you'd need to be immesely to strong...

"it would take me a moment to recover"

As you have already pointed out, the inertia of a large axe would make it go a long way; how do you stop it, and get another hit in?

I personally was talking face to face with a guy. In that case, a long, double handed weapon is hard to control. A person with a small sword or a dagger could move in to where you cannot attack, and then you would get it.lol

I couldn't agree more.

Weight of your weapon is a fact that is totally forgotten by the axelovers here.

A large double-edged age is maybe the slowest weapon you can carry and you totally depend on hit when you charge.

Parrying someone charging at you with a very heavy axe would not dgive you the big advantage you would get by "simply" dodging his axe

The most powerful attack with your axe is a vertical chop. But you need to swing the axe over your head and then down on the enemy, which uses an awful lot of energy and is easily evadeable.

Also worth noticing is if you miss your target, your axe might get stuck in the object it hit instead causing time and energyloss.

Still, an axe is my favourite. :)

[exatreide]

"And it would take him a moment to recover from the great amount of energy a Axe puts out"

Energy in is never greater than energy out, Ex. For all the energy he is dealt, you will have to have put in as much energy, which fatigues your own arm.

Indeed That is Why Axemen need large amounts of stamina, and even then they can only fight for a short amount of time. And note I was refering to a double sided small axe that could be held in one hand, and rapidly strike,

Ex, you consider parrying, but not dodging. A large, cumbersome cretan axe as you describe would not be too difficult to dodge (let alone the chanc of you missing); even light, flicky weapons can be avoided, if you take care.

Indeed, With a large axe, That is why it is importent to get the first strike with a large axe in, But a smaller axe=less energy for requiered for each strike, and less time to recover and more strikes.

Moreover, I question the ability to hit at speed with as large a weapon as a double-edged axe; you'd need to be immesely to strong...

Indeed for a large axe you should be, or a weaker person could wield it for a much shorter peirod of time. But a shorter axe requires less energy

"it would take me a moment to recover"

As you have already pointed out, the inertia of a large axe would make it go a long way; how do you stop it, and get another hit in?

Well With a large axe that would be difficult, The ability to quickly raise it or raise it to a point whare you can strike a again is very importent with a large axe, but with a smaller one its much easier to strike repeatily

Large Axe

Good: Strong Power, Can slice armor, and mail with out a problem.

Bad: Hard to swing, Requires large amounts of energy out put, First strike has to win, Or there will be problems raising it and striking again.

Smaller Axe:

Good: Easiy to rapidly and continuely strike a openent. Less Weight to weild, Can drive a opeent back and exhaust them. Can slice through mail.

Bad:Less weight= less power Most armor can stop the cutting edge, but the blunt strike will injer them.

I would personally pick the small double sided Axe, So I can strike, And strike again in differnt locations :)

[thomas]

an axe though requires more force than a katana and I've seen guys do like 90 slashes a minute and more with a katana crazy :O

[thomas]

what about a padao verse a halbred? (for more on a padao go to www.gungfu.com )

[thomas]

if oyu were going into combat what weapons would you have though? I'd have a wazikashi, katana, tanto, and short bow.

[exatreide]

you have been here a long ass time and yet i am forced to say this...

USE THE MODIFY BUTTON. You should be ashamed of your self.

oh i can spin a sword to very fast, but thats just for show, its not like they wave there sword around in combat ::)

[thomas]

I said slash not wave I mean actual slashes these guys are crazy they could chop a watermelon to 60 pieces in 4 seconds flat. :O :O :O :O

[exatreide]

So what, People can chop through a tree in under two minutes with a axe, that dosnt mean they are going to do it on the battlefield, Hell i can twirl a axe around, but they dont do that sort of things in the battlefield, dosnt matter how many twirls per second you can spin a sword lol ::)

[exatreide]

no commmomentos?

[Dante]

True, Nema, about the light sword. But I do believe that provided the trident was balanced correctly it's turning circle could be achieved at a pace that could meet an incoming side-blow.

And you axe people; What about you? You think you can beat my trident? You have to get close first. And the prongs at the end can quite easily catch the shaft of an axe while it is sweeping around. Then it is merely a matter of simple levering to disarm my opponent. This works best with a two-handed axe. A trident vs someone with a stong shield is at a severe disadvantage as there is no slashing damage.

[gerbilpoo]

you need a halbeard its got all the advanteges of a sword and its on a 2 meter pole

(i would of piked trident but that would be copying) AND AXES SUCK

[Dante]

Any details?

[Anathema]

What type of armor would you people take? I think I'd go with ring mail.

[Dante]

I think I'd sacrafice protection to speed and manoeuvrability. Something light that would allow ducking and dodging. No heavy armour, I'd hate to be slow like that. Even heavy armour has it's chinks, and if you fall over...

[nampigai]

this is maybe a lil' offtopic but does any of you play Morrowind?

I don't have a pic here of my char. but I wear no armour I have a bow and a longsword + a dagger. This is prolly not what I would choose in r/l but I'd prefer light and swift instead of heavy and slow.

[ExSPlug]

I would use a "bamboo armor"(literal traslation, I forgot the real name) and a kite shield. Such armors are used in ancient China barbarians. Pieces of bamboo plates are soaked in oil for 6 months, sundried, soaked again. The process repeats for 3-4 times, then the plates would be made into the armor. It was said the armor is very resistance swords and arrows, very light too. Only problems is that it's highly flammable...

[nampigai]

yes that would indeed be a problem, unless you like it hot.

[Dante]

So flame arrows means no more armour and no more fighter... But then, arrows are pretty good against plate mail too. Chain mail can stop them sometimes though...

And as for crossbows...

[ExSPlug]

Nothing stops crossbows except shields I think...

[DjCiD]

I think they might stop once embedded in a skull... yeah I'm pretty sure a skull might stop one... its kinda tricky to get your fellow archers to support this theory and test it though. ^-^

[nampigai]

I did that with my little brother once, told him I would aim after the apple on his head. It bounced right of his thick skull.

[exatreide]

True, Nema, about the light sword. But I do believe that provided the trident was balanced correctly it's turning circle could be achieved at a pace that could meet an incoming side-blow.

And you axe people; What about you? You think you can beat my trident? You have to get close first. And the prongs at the end can quite easily catch the shaft of an axe while it is sweeping around. Then it is merely a matter of simple levering to disarm my opponent. This works best with a two-handed axe. A trident vs someone with a stong shield is at a severe disadvantage as there is no slashing damage.

Once again it depends on who makes the first strike.

If you do, And I block it down i can quickly make a stab at your face. (a small axe by the way)

But if i striked first, You could as you said tangle me up in the prongs and hit me with the other side lol.

So it depends on who strikes first IMHO.