Rise of the herb

[TMA_1]

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml

I have heard really crass things said on this subject. I myself have done many drugs before, just have been too afraid to admit this. I have stopped though because one, it is bad to hang out with that type of group. two, the people that you do it with cant be trusted. three, it is illegal. Other than that, I cannot see any real flaw with some of the more harmless drugs out there. such as various fungi that have low accounts of being allergenic, t.h.c. containing plants, salvia and other psycholdelic plants. Many of these have been railed against by propaganda that really has no base in science. It is just a way to fight a failing war on drugs.

I must say though, there are some drugs that shouldnt be touched. Things like the various freebases of cocain and opium. Drugs like amphetamines and methamphetamines, as well as mixed drugs like heroine, which is an extremely pure form of various opiates. These can be very dangerous and addictive, but as I said before, some of these drugs that are fought against seem to be spat upon just because of the stigma given to them by many who are too scared of the issue in the first place. I myself have not done drugs in a while because it conflicts with breaking the law, which is spiritually and imperically wrong. If pot or other natural drugs were legalized though, I would see no spiritual or ethical danger in maturly using these substances. As long as an adult uses them for relaxation or pain relief, and not trying to run away from reality or problems in life.

It seems that people are so afraid of what the government and other powerful groups have said, and forget to study themselves the issue. What do you guys think? keep this civil, no emotional flights of fancy here please. :)

And no, "geesh your a pot head". or anything like that. I havent done drugs in a while and dont plan on using them ever again. Got me??!! ;) lol

[Navaros]

only losers with no life use illegal drugs

the Police even say so. look at any arcade game

"Winner Don't Do Drugs"

therefore the only logical conclusion is that only losers do drugs

[Acriku]

I get high on life. Life of the jane! Seriously, just life. Without the jane.

[TMA_1]

lol, I knew these kinds of posts would come up. ;) seriously though, taking away self righteous stuff, why dont you agree with the issue?

[Acriku]

Well, I think any drug that affects my judgement is bad, I guess this is what Edric says a lot, and any drug that is "illegal" that doesn't affect my judgement isn't a drug. Even the most extreme situations occur.

[Vanguard3000]

I think that if it were done responsibly* (i.e. in the privacy of one's own home) I'd have no real problem with it.

*people aren't responsible, so I say no.

[TMA_1]

hehe. ;)

[thomas]

my high is when I look for days for a video gaem (IE generals) and find it then get all gidy and go home ot play it and poop myself in excitment. ;D

[Gh0stzzz]

Your gonna have people posting all sorts of nonsense when it comes to this post. People who are ignorant and stubborn. For those out there that say drugs are bad and should never be taken then consider this. Chocolate and Coffee are classified as real Drugs! So watch what you say.

On the other hand there's marijuana. I myself have smoked this substance since I was 16 years old. I am 23 now and have just recently decided not to smoke it anymore long with cigarettes. This isn't based on it being illegal or bad in the sense of what society deems bad. I just don't want my health comprimised anymore. For people who want to smoke marijuana all the power to them, people should not judge others for doing drugs no matter what kind of drug it is. It is their life to do with whatever they want to.

Some people may argue that people who do drugs not only effect their own lives but effect the people around them also. I laugh at this response. No matter what you do in life, wheter you do drugs, go to the store, school, work, anything, it will effect others. People have their own brains, they can think for themselves, if someone offers you a joint or mushrooms, acid anything, it's your call. Wheter you are curious enough to try it or not is a total different topic.

I dunno if I'm getting off topic I just like stating my personal thoughts and feelings.

It's all about knowledge.

[Vanguard3000]

Your gonna have people posting all sorts of nonsense when it comes to this post. People who are ignorant and stubborn. For those out there that say drugs are bad and should never be taken then consider this. Chocolate and Coffee are classified as real Drugs! So watch what you say.

That's just nitpickiness. Obviously when someone says "should drugs be legal" (or something along those lines), they aren't talking about chocolate and coffee.

People have their own brains, they can think for themselves, if someone offers you a joint or mushrooms, acid anything, it's your call.

That's not totally true. It's not entirely one's call with things like peer pressure. It may sound corny when I say that, but it was friends that got me to try smoking when I was younger.

[TMA_1]

very true statements vanguard.

[Gh0stzzz]

Vanguard I think your totally worng. You talk about peer pressure as if someone was holding a knife to your throat. Peer pressure shouldn't be used as an excuse. If your friends try to pressure you into doing something you know is bad then what the hell are you doing with those friends anyways. I'm afraid you were hanging out with the wrong crowd and are still blaming them for your mistakes you made in your life.

Nobody can force you to do anything.

I was just trying to enlighten people that the word Drugs shouldn't be viewed as an evil word. "Chocolate and Coffee." Drugs in alot of the times saves lives. I just didn't want people to be biased thinking oh drugs are bad!

When a person mentions the word drug one tends to think about the negative aspects of it. As for should hardcore mind-altering drugs be illegal I believe yes.

[Acriku]

Your gonna have people posting all sorts of nonsense when it comes to this post. People who are ignorant and stubborn. For those out there that say drugs are bad and should never be taken then consider this. Chocolate and Coffee are classified as real Drugs! So watch what you say.

On the other hand there's marijuana. I myself have smoked this substance since I was 16 years old. I am 23 now and have just recently decided not to smoke it anymore long with cigarettes. This isn't based on it being illegal or bad in the sense of what society deems bad. I just don't want my health comprimised anymore. For people who want to smoke marijuana all the power to them, people should not judge others for doing drugs no matter what kind of drug it is. It is their life to do with whatever they want to.

Some people may argue that people who do drugs not only effect their own lives but effect the people around them also. I laugh at this response. No matter what you do in life, wheter you do drugs, go to the store, school, work, anything, it will effect others. People have their own brains, they can think for themselves, if someone offers you a joint or mushrooms, acid anything, it's your call. Wheter you are curious enough to try it or not is a total different topic.

I dunno if I'm getting off topic I just like stating my personal thoughts and feelings.

It's all about knowledge.

Fed, chocolate and coffee aren't illegal drugs ::)

Drugs affect other people in a very bad way, not the kind of way you meet someone at the store. People don't have brains, and they can't think for themselves, they surrender their brains to whatever part of society appeals to them.

[Gh0stzzz]

Hmm, well I think my last edit clears up why I mentioned the Chocolate and Coffee remark.

Yes Acriku, your right. Drugs do affect people in very bad ways, but do you know what. I don't feel sorry for them. They chose to do them and I chose not to care about them. My best-friend got into heavy drugs about 5 years ago, I saw what it did to him and the people around him. I tried to help him but to no avail. He slowly dritted away into nothingness. In his wake I saw him pull many many people who I cared about along with him down into his misery. I will never forgive him for ruining these people's lives. You know what Acriku, Vanguard talks about peer pressure as if it is a huge debate. Sure peopel are affected by peer pressure but I wasn't in this case. He was my very best and true friend and he didn't drag me down into his heroine, meth, and other nasties of his world. Do you know why I think the whole debate over peer pressure is bullshit? It is because when it comes down to it unless someone is threatening your life YOU have the ultimate choice not the person offering it to you. People make it accesible and convient not Necessary!

:P

[Acriku]

I don't feel sorry for them either Fed, but I do for the people around him. They do make the ultimate choice, but then again some are cheated into it, like ecstacy in the drink without knowing, and then dying that night. That just pisses me off.

[Gh0stzzz]

Yeah that is sad...

When people are affected by others from using drugs it really gets to me. I had a friend once who I really liked she and I had alot of fun together. Then I started noticing that she was becoming unstable and stopped talking to me and hanging out. I was wondering what had happened. I was hearing rumours that she was getting into hardcore drugs which totally blew my mind because she was a very smart and intelligent young girl. I eventually found out that my no longer ex-best friend had influenced her into trying crystal meth. I was really devastated. I tried to talk to er about it but she would hear none of it. I lost contact with her a few years ago and recently saw her downtown in one of the worst streets known for drug addicts in the city...

I have known many many people that have been affected by drugs. Not all of them turned out to be mindless zombies. This one guy who I am proud to call my friend got off using drugs and his been clean for over a year. Everyone used to ridicule him for being in the state he was, I just told him that if he ever needed help I was here for him and I was there for him. To many people's surprise he has surpassed many people's expectations and has done more in one year then most of my friends have done in a lifetime.

Not all hope is lost when you have the will to survive.

[Vanguard3000]

Vanguard I think your totally worng. You talk about peer pressure as if someone was holding a knife to your throat. Peer pressure shouldn't be used as an excuse. If your friends try to pressure you into doing something you know is bad then what the hell are you doing with those friends anyways. I'm afraid you were hanging out with the wrong crowd and are still blaming them for your mistakes you made in your life.

First off, I'm not "blaming them" for anything. I agree that it is ultimately one's own choice, but that choice can be greatly influenced by peer pressure. You seem to be dismissing this factor as if it doesn't exist, but I'm telling you from experience that it is very real, unfortunately.

And thes people aren't really my friends anymore, but that's for a different reason (they go to a different school, etc). But I suspect that they themselves were influenced into it (could be peer pressure, or almost anything else).

[Major_Gilbear]

Um, TMA, I thought you were only gonna post on the Duniverse board???

[nemafakei]

Drugs, including alcohol, which affect the stability and rationality of your mind are pointless, and dangerous. Medicinal uses perhaps, but only with pretty good reason. Either way, I'd keep off to be on the safe side.

The way to avoid peer pressure is not to have any peers. (Or none that you trust more than your own judgement)

Fedak1n, that is a most unforunate occurence, and I also would be shocked; .

[TMA_1]

nema is right about the peer pressure. my only peers are my family and close friends who I trust. I see good reasons in all of your posts. I can understand how drugs can have more negative effects than meets the eye.

Also, I said I would cool down on the posting of the typical "religion slash politics slash war" debates.lol They are very good to discuss, but I think it would be rude on my part to just jump in there so fast. I need to cool it down and frankly, I am more focused on Dune right now. I still post stuff like this here though. Its good to talk about. :)

[exatreide]

I have smoked some pot with some friends of mine.....

and i chain smoke.........well its hard when you dont have any cigs....

but i get by

but i dont take ecastacy, cocain,harion, or anything of that sort ;)

and i am against Cocain, and harion. :)

[Elite47]

Well IMHO anyone who hasn't tried any drugs shouldn't have a credible opinion on the subject. If u haven't tried them for yourself you are nuthing but a secondary source. Someone like me or Fedak1n, well we are primary sources and therefor more knowledgable and credible about the topic. It seems so many are worried about the propaganda u see on TV everyday about drugs.

Now think about this; would trying pot/mushrooms/opium hert you by TRYING it once(u have to find things out by TRYING), and only once? Wouldn't it make u more intelligent as well as give u different perspectives on life?

By trying drugs once or twice all u are doing is EXPERIENCING it for yourself and if u only do it once,twice or once a month even you aren't even herting yourself.

The real problems with drugs aren't using the drugs, it's becoming addicted that is the real deal. ppl who get addicted to drugs are weak minded and can't control themselves.

I have so much to ramble on about so ill cut this short and save the rest for my next post. I just have one more thing before i post this.

MUSHROOMS.

After taking mushrooms and getting a good fry u will forever be changed. U will see the world in a new light. When u r on mushrooms u see things you wouldnt normally notice... things you take for granted and the little things about life u never think of. On mushrooms u will feel the need the explain everything but will never find enough words for it. Ur thinking goes so in depth that after ur fry u r no longer able to reach that part of your brain. You dont feel like the world is coming down on you or monsters are after you. Shrooms intensify your current emotions and bring new ones out. Once my walls started swirling together(kinda) in like 5-6 different colors and they started draining down my wall. Any sane person would freak out but i fryin so instead i though 'wow thats cool' and i went and called my buddy to tell himabout it.

So in conclusion: Mushrooms rock and are probably the most influental on your mind as far as 'softcore' drugs go. Pot does nuthing for you except relax you while you're stoned. Mushrooms have a mental affect forever(on me and my freinds atleast). If u r curious in trying a drug for the EXPERIENCE than i woudl try mushrooms just as long as you dont worry about everything. thats why ppl have a bad trip on mushrooms cause they are worrying about somthing. At home is the most comfortable place. Oh yeah lol, and go look in the mirror during your fry! LOL! you'll be amazed(or scared) when u look like a little deformed smurf lol!

[DukeLeto]

Well, I think any drug that affects my judgement is bad, I guess this is what Edric says a lot, and any drug that is "illegal" that doesn't affect my judgement isn't a drug.

Nicotine doesn't affect your judgement, so you don't think it's bad? Yet it's more deadly than potassium cyanide.

[nemafakei]

"Wouldn't it make u more intelligent"

Hm, yes, perhaps destabilising my mind will make me more intelligent. In my case, at least, I predict one dose of any drug will halve my thought capacity. Or at least, halve efficiency.

Given that there is a slight chance of addiction, let alone bad side affects of any drug, including the distinct possibility of a servere reaction to it, especially given the lack of regulation on such illegal materials, surely it's not worth the risk?

[Acriku]

Nicotine gives an addiction, which affects my judgement, but is it really an illegal drug? And in what form?