Terenas77 Posted January 31, 2003 Share Posted January 31, 2003 I ve get tired of playng ebfd. The game needs still a lot of balace. Whats the purpose of Bene Tleilax?They are a decoration subhouse.Why fremen are so overpowered??I hate them...there's nothing more satifactory than seeing a group of Fedakins put on fire by a flame tank ;D!!! What about Harkonnen??The poor house harkonnen. No artillery.no repair.no range.Only good airforce and some armor(easily destroyed by Mongooses and Lasers).Easily beaten by the dumb atreides. Have you ever tried to stop a formation of Minos, mongosses, snipers and Air drones??? One word=UNBEATABLE unless you use subhouses.Thats unfair. I ve switched to Warcraft3 which is almost perfectly balanced and SUPPORTED by Blizzard Entertainment.Westwood new games sucks.Red alert2 and its xpack where the worst RTS games ive ever seen. Not to mention the "buggy" Renegade.Probably also C&C: general will be abandoned and forgotten soon. Westwood should continue to work on his best serie of games: The Dune based games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken124578 Posted January 31, 2003 Share Posted January 31, 2003 How about YOU trying to get better instead of bashing a good house >:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timenn Posted January 31, 2003 Share Posted January 31, 2003 Emperor is the most balanced game I ever known. Besides these units, all units make an important role:Contaminator, Saboteur, AA MineEverything has a counter, and what has no counter can be stopped by don't giving the opponent the chance to build the perfect attack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken124578 Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 Gunships/minotaurs and niab tanks aren't THAT difficult to defend against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 Everything has a counter. If you are so much of a n00b that you can't figure out how to play the game right, I suggest you quit whining and ask someone to train you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken124578 Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 I'm amazed that no-ones pointing out to 1 of the 5 threads i made :O IMO those 5 combined are more usefull then what had been posting here for the last month or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terenas77 Posted February 1, 2003 Author Share Posted February 1, 2003 IM NOT A NooB!!! I play Emperor before you was born!So Tell me how to stop an ATR. force of Minos,snipers,Mongooses and Air drone without your overpowered FEDS. This Atreides formation is invincible(If you add some Kinjals...even more invincible) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken124578 Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 IM NOT A NooB!!! I play Emperor before you was born!So Tell me how to stop an ATR. force of Minos,snipers,Mongooses and Air drone without your overpowered FEDS. This Atreides formation is invincible(If you add some Kinjals...even more invincible)You're not a n00b, you're a newbie (read my signature)1. Terenas77, emperor doesn't excist that long.2. IM NOT A NooB!!! I play Emperor before you was born! Tell me how to stop an ATR. force of Minos,snipers,Mongooses and Air drone without your overpowered FEDS Yeah....right ::) :P3. Prevent him/her from ever getting enough money to buy those, there are ALOT more but 1 is enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timenn Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 IM NOT A NooB!!! I play Emperor before you was born!So Tell me how to stop an ATR. force of Minos,snipers,Mongooses and Air drone without your overpowered FEDS. This Atreides formation is invincible(If you add some Kinjals...even more invincible)Laser Tanks.Projections of all kind of lovely units.Worms. (hmm, sorry, those are actually Fedaykin)Deviators.Kamikaze Scouts.etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken124578 Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 That's 1 too, if you use most of those together :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timenn Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 They can all be used apart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken124578 Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 Timenn, scouts can't kill ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terenas77 Posted February 1, 2003 Author Share Posted February 1, 2003 Well maybe isnt unstoppable but it is very difficult. And no other house has a so powerful combo, expecially Harkonnen that usually are wiped out even before reaching the targets >:(And what about my Tlelaxu and fremen complaints???Tlelaxu could have Face dancers assassins,Kamikaze ghola, or other cool genetic mutation instead of the slow, overpriced, ridicolous contaminator.Instead Fremen are TOO strong. Feds can take care of almost anythig and costs only 250 solaris.The "great" Sardauker are no match for fremen. They are easily wiped out by frem snipers that costs half price. For Timenn: Have you ever seen Warcraft3? THIS is a really BALANCED game where every unit has a purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timenn Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 I know good Ordos rushes. That are more destroying then Atreides rushes. And the Ordos rushes are even cheaper.And I've been beaten alot of times by powerful Harkonnen rushes, other then the Gunship AirstrikeAnd I agree that the Contaminator was a bad unit. But no game can be perfectly balanced. However, Emperor comes close. I have never played Warcraft III, so I'm not discussing that game.Fedaykin are very easily countered by the Fremen Warriors. Who don't have to fear anything of Fedaykin. And Fedaykin are useless against camped (semi) instant anti infantry weaponryI've seen many rushes backuped by Sardaukar. What made the rush much less vulnerable for countering.ken, if you run with a scout in the middle of a Mino stack, they will all shoot the scout and THEMSELVES :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rigel6669 Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 And what about my Tlelaxu and fremen complaints???Both subhouses are worthy additions to the game. Every unit in the EBFD game has its advantages and disadvantages.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken124578 Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 Well maybe isnt unstoppable but it is very difficult. And no other house has a so powerful combo, expecially Harkonnen that usually are wiped out even before reaching the targets >:(I wish i was a moderator of this forum, i would've changed that post into: do not bash other houses just because you're bad with them. Something simular to that is even written in the rules >:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 Thats an easily destroyed formation. Build 6-8 laser tanks and roll them out. Move them all close enough to fire, then roll them out again to repair. Repeat this process until your enemy is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken124578 Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 minotaurs, mongooses, kindjals, airdrones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlord Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 Have you ever seen Warcraft3? THIS is a really BALANCED game where every unit has a purpose.Ever tried playing against a Living person? yeah, all you need are three top lv heros and a couple of melee units to take out anyone...the game is crap...blizzard is crap (Except Diablo and Diablo 2) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostHunter Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 First person thats so dumb there is no possible way he can make it into my lessons.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geberten Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 Terenas,This board is full of topics like "which house or subhouse or unit or combo of units is better or worse" etc.Each and every one of those topics have led to almost unending discussions.This is simply because each unit in the game has a counter--indicating the as-close-as-it-gets-to-perfect balance of the game.Try enjoying the game as it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terenas77 Posted February 4, 2003 Author Share Posted February 4, 2003 First WARCRAFT3 is the best RTS in the worldSecond, Blizzard is the best company in the worldThird, Westwood is(was ;D) crap as its games except the dune based.fourth, I play online on Bnet(REALLY REALLY BETTER THAN WOL) almost everyday and I can say that every singol detail is balanced in war3.Fifth, it seems that everyone hates me here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geberten Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 Calm down. People on these boards have strong feelings for EBFD. It is therefore normal for them to show reaction against your criticism of the game. For my part, I think your criticism isn't justified, and that's all. On the other hand, I believe everybody around here would agree with your assessment of WW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timenn Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 It's just that it isn't wise to start talking about unbalance if you don't know the game and all it's secret techniques Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terenas77 Posted February 5, 2003 Author Share Posted February 5, 2003 I like Ebfd. It is one of the best RTS ever seen.It is near to perfection... but not perfect. It could have been perfect if westwood continued to support it with patches... or maybe releasing an X pack.Well, i know many strategies for the great house harkonnen...but beating Atreides is for me more difficult than ordos unless i rush. Usually I kick atreides ass with Devastator drops, bye Construction yard, bye factory, bye starport=dead atreides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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