Abstinence until marraige--Yes or no?

[gryphon]

@ Sneezer3

Taken the fact that sex [ and related things ] are considered evil, you correct. But I for one don't have that possition.

@ emprworm

Could be, no clue to be hounest. But then it isn't public nudity. You know there are poeple there who are nude. So don't go there.

Sounds hard, and mayby unfair if you'r like to go for a swimm after 6, but still you know when a persone is going to nude or when he is not allowed to. And that is another subject then just suddenly bumping into nude people without warning.

Note that I do not say I agree with that rule.

[DjCiD]

[offtopic] Using genetalia sums it all up, if you list the more graphic names it will result in Fed2k being listed when ppl do searchs on Google or what ever they use. We dont want a bunch of weird perv's posting round here do we... umm maybe too late for that. ^-^ ;D j/k [offtopic]

[emprworm]

lol nice try dj. when ppl search google for porn they wont be typing in *rhymes with venus*, they will be typing in #$#$ and @@#% and #%CK and #$#!...well you get my picture. And if FED2k gets any hits from those words, it wont be because of me, that is for sure.

[sneezer3]

lol nice try dj. when ppl search google for porn they wont be typing in *rhymes with venus*, they will be typing in #$#$ and @@#% and #%CK and #$#!...well you get my picture. And if FED2k gets any hits from those words, it wont be because of me, that is for sure.

I think the girl from "Wicca and Neo-peganism

[sneezer3]

Sneezer I am reading your question in the form of a statement, and I am still getting the impression you are talking about what is stopping me from doing all that. And I just said what stops me. I have no idea what else you want. Perhaps you need to clarify?

Question in the form of statement?

Well anyway. it is good that your not doing them. But like i pointed out there is no arguement here. All i;ve been saying is if God isn' real and nothing can get you in truable for doing wrong besides law and rules and deccentcy why not get away with what you can. i'm not trying to bible thump you or shoot you with my biblcol shotgun.

@ Sneezer3

Taken the fact that sex [ and related things ] are considered evil, you correct. But I for one don't have that possition.

I wouldn't either. But the bible condems it so i don'd do it and think its evil and i'l have to give an account for myself and so will you have to give an account for yourself. And of couse then. The book of life. If your name isn't written then. well. i think you now where i'm going.

[DjCiD]

So you know what they type when they search for it? Hows that? j/k Still no matter what they seacrh for even a simple slip of the tougne and it will have them hitting this site. Even my big post about the word F**K, thats why I edited it. I'm sure the ppl in this thread know what genetalia is and it need not be explained, if not then I dont know why they were in that disscussion in the first place.

[gryphon]

@ Sneezer3

Don't know how many posts of mine you have read in the past, but althoug I am a euh . .persone of faith .. in some ways even in a greater entity than just our basic level of eXiZtenZ I do not believe nor place any significant value to The Bible and her contents.

Nor do I take one single believe, common way of thinking or any sort of that to judge or reflect others things upon.

So I can understand that there are poeple who in any way can link sexualisme to "wrong". But the opposite is also possible.

I know .. we're not comming to any conclusions this way. But then I don't really have any. If I must pick a position, I would say that it's not "wrong" in any way. But with that I also understand that that position is without ground and could be wrong.

Hope, this explains it a bit more. :)

[ ps. don't lnow if you meant it as it seemd to me, but if you just "blindly" follow the Bible but still have doubts or questions about it you should explore them .. or reject them in my opinion. But not blindly follow them ]

[Anathema]

You know, most of the stuff the bilbe tells you to do makes sense. Of course you shouldn't kill anyone and kids should respect their parents and stuff (interesting to note that believes apparently need to be threatened with hell before they start to behave), but I don't see what's so terrible about having sex before you marry.

[Edric O]

But here, well let's be hounest, people are walking in verry tight clothes [ guess you know what I mean ], showing off the part you all would like to see.

Comercials are usig it all over the world, what's there slogan again . . ."sex sells" ?

I can't go to a motorshow or there's that babe in ....

Can't look at a comercial or the woman is chosen for her apeal.

Exactly. This is the kind of filth and moral decadence that I was talking about. It sickens me.

The list can go on, but what it comes down to, moral code or not .. ... you can't get it out of the culture. Nor, why should you.

In a way it's a part of our culture, always has been.

Oh yes you can! And we should be doing everything within our power to have it removed. This rampant indecency hasn't always been a part of our culture. It is in fact very new. We've only had it for a few decades. And it is disgusting and immoral.

This kind of sickening immorality has been created by a feedback loop involving the mass media. A snowball effect, if you will:

First, the media started showing content a little more erotical than the things we found socially acceptable. The great power of the media caused society to comply and become a little more indecent in turn. The media then increased the sexual factor in order to stay ahead and continue to appear "modern" and "provocative". Again, society complied. And so on.

It's a runaway feedback loop between the things that we see in the media and the things that we do in everyday life.

And it has to stop.

[emprworm]

feedback loop involving the mass media

very cool description. i loved that.

I wish that things would get better, but the world is in a state of moral decay. the process, I fear, will not be reversing.

[VigilVirus]

And it has to stop.

And who do you think could stop it? ::)

[sneezer3]

You know, most of the stuff the bilbe tells you to do makes sense. Of course you shouldn't kill anyone and kids should respect their parents and stuff (interesting to note that believes apparently need to be threatened with hell before they start to behave), but I don't see what's so terrible about having sex before you marry.

I have no idea where you heard that at but they aren't threatend to go to hell if they don't obey. About the oppeiest. Once saved your saved and nothing can tkae it away from you. No matter how deep you fall or have fallen into sin you can always be forgiven. But you can't just "Accept and move on".

feedback loop involving the mass media

very cool description. i loved that.

I wish that things would get better, but the world is in a state of moral decay. the process, I fear, will not be reversing.

Most likely not. But a Revivol could still swep America. But still the Rapture could happen anytime.

And it has to stop.

And who do you think could stop it? ::)

It will uilltmuntly end in the Earth being destoryed. And Everbody either going to heaven or hell.

[VigilVirus]

No matter how deep you fall or have fallen into sin you can always be forgiven.

That's a matter of opinion and religion

[sneezer3]

@ Sneezer3

Don't know how many posts of mine you have read in the past, but althoug I am a euh . .persone of faith .. in some ways even in a greater entity than just our basic level of eXiZtenZ I do not believe nor place any significant value to The Bible and her contents.

Nor do I take one single believe, common way of thinking or any sort of that to judge or reflect others things upon.

So I can understand that there are poeple who in any way can link sexualisme to "wrong". But the opposite is also possible.

I know .. we're not comming to any conclusions this way. But then I don't really have any. If I must pick a position, I would say that it's not "wrong" in any way. But with that I also understand that that position is without ground and could be wrong.

Hope, this explains it a bit more. :)

[ ps. don't lnow if you meant it as it seemd to me, but if you just "blindly" follow the Bible but still have doubts or questions about it you should explore them .. or reject them in my opinion. But not blindly follow them ]

Its in Exodus 20:3-17 THe ten commandments Adultry just happend to be on those Commandments. And the sabbeth day is the old law so it does not apply. God hates Forication more then anything. But he hates all sins alike. One sin is not worse then another Let me put it this way For brakefast Would you rather have slime snot or a buch of real sharp cut up glass pieces?

And yes. i have explored into the bible and found it to be true. If i did have any doubts i'd send Dr. Ruckman mail asking him the question. It even tells what will happen in the furture and even was able to perdict Stuff that has ALREADY happend and it was published in 1611 Need a example?

No matter how deep you fall or have fallen into sin you can always be forgiven.

That's a matter of opinion and religion

If you are reffering to you being forgiven by someone then i said no such thing. But God is always willing to forgive a person. no matter how much you have sined. But if you don't forgive others Is the only case that God won't Forgive you but aside from that he is always open to forgive you. If you don't belive me think of all of the people That was way worse then you. That murderd countless people.

And yes overall it is a matter of opinion and religion. But Christanty isn't just "Another Religion" If you want me to explan why then tell me.*Sinces going off topic* Maybe IM?

[Edric O]

And who do you think could stop it?

Not who. What.

How do you stop a feedback loop? You cut the circuit. OR you let it burn itself out. So, either something cuts the cycle (this something would have to be either a technological/cultural revolution, or a mass disaster)... or it eventually burns itself out. And we fall into anarchy.

[VigilVirus]

So in your opinion this is possible:

A dictator, having just commanded the execution of 1 million innocent civilians prays to God, asking for him to forgive him.

After that, he does the same thing again and prays again, knowing that God will forgive him.

[Edric O]

Vigil, what you just described is called hypocrisy. That might impress a human, but it won't impress God. (at least IMO, I don't know what Sneezer thinks)

And by the way, since when did this topic become about religion? ???

[VigilVirus]

Hehe, but what if the dictator really means it?

[nemafakei]

"I'm not aware of legislation on Ibiza"

I wasn't aware of there being legislation there, either...

Ibiza and Amsterdam are probably two of the worst places in Europe to go.

Empr, I don't care how scientific those words are, the average age of forum members isn't particularly high, so if you wish to discuss such things, you can suffice by describing what you mean by one, scientifically correct (if you really wish) word, without graphic detail. So try not to use more than the word genitalia; more simply isn't necessary, and may cause more harm than good.

[sneezer3]

So in your opinion this is possible:

A dictator, having just commanded the execution of 1 million innocent civilians prays to God, asking for him to forgive him.

After that, he does the same thing again and prays again, knowing that God will forgive him.

No. you cannot ask God to forgive you if your doing evil at the same time then afterwards while doing evil. Otherwise you would not be truely sorry for what you have done and not doing your best to do right. And i am not saying someone will not have to pay for there crime. You will still have breathing problems after you smoke. etc etc

[VigilVirus]

You will still have breathing problems after you smoke. etc etc

What would be a punishment for that dictator who kills millions of people, but then suddenly realizes his wrongdoing (not pretending)?

[sneezer3]

Hehe, but what if the dictator really means it?

If he really means it afterwards he still might have to pay for his crime. but YES he can and will be forgiven by God if he asks

"Revelation 3:20

Behond, i stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, abd open the door, i will come in to him, and will sup with him and he with me."

[sneezer3]

You will still have breathing problems after you smoke. etc etc

What would be a punishment for that dictator who kills millions of people, but then suddenly realizes his wrongdoing (not pretending)?

Depending on what court system is set up and who he is tryed by and if they trace it back to him What race it was he killed<Jew Americans etc> If the blame is misplaced etc etc But he might not be punished. You can get away with some stuff i'm assumeing you have done something wrong to and gotten away with it.

[Edric O]

Will you PLEASE not turn this into another religion debate?

[Acriku]

Sneezer please keep your religious opinions out of threads not intended for religion? C'mon, you can argue without your bible, you can do it, c'mon.