Symbolism of "Dune"

[DukeLeto]

Has anyone noticed something:

Harkonnen-Big, greedy, power-obsessed House with no consideration but military strength, environental disastor, no sonsideration for the populace-IE, the Soviet Union. (Remember when Dune was written.)

Atreides-Smaller, less militarily powerful, more environmentally sound, and less directly violent-IE, Great Britain. (Frank Herberts home country, no?)

Corrino-Big, imperialistic House, very strong militarily, most powerful House in the universe, overconfident-IE, the United States.

Anyone agree? Or at least see the basic symbolism?

[exatreide]

Lankvill- Harkkonen Red headed step child......Comunist China ;)

[nemafakei]

I agree, Leto. Not too sure about Lankiveil, though, Ex.

[AlteaDeo]

yeah, but still, that's a funny way to see it ;)

[TMA_1]

Many science fiction books are based around the "cold warish" stuff. if thats even a saying.lol Soviet Union against N.A.T.o. I think frank was getting at something different. Making a future totally different from what most people think of it. THough those are some good points guys. :)

[Emperor Harkonnen]

no soviet would never ally with united states..so I disagree.

but it might have been like, Corrino Nazi Germany. most powerful in military strenght.

Harkonnen, Soviet. Germany betrayed them.

Atreides, the allies. cares about every soldier, the individual.

isn't that more likely?

[Colonel_Worf]

Interesting theory, but it's basically a simple two front war story turned into an epic, in my opinion. :P

[Usul]

Herbet was american wasn't he? Anyway Ix- Japan, Leto II's regin- Soviet Union and Fish Speakers- KGB.

[Anathema]

In Dune the factions and people share a lot of properties with todays worlds / recent history.

Fremen fight against Harkonnen:

Opressed population (Cubans), lead by a single man called Muad'Dib (Castro), overthrows their facist dictator Harkonnen (Batista) wich is supported by House Corrino (US).

Hey, FH was a commie ;D

[BRAVO]

your right... :O and the armada?

[DukeLeto]

Fremen fight against Harkonnen:

Opressed population (Cubans), lead by a single man called Muad'Dib (Castro), overthrows their facist dictator Harkonnen (Batista) wich is supported by House Corrino (US).

Except Muad'Dib wasn't even more oppresive than the Baron...

[Anathema]

And Castro was much less opressive then Batista. So what's your point?

[Dunenewt]

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[Anathema]

The germans did betray the Soviets, but Corrino did not betray Harkonnen.

[TMA_1]

actually he grew up in the united states and eventually settled in Tacoma Washington, where I lived once. yay hehe. I also had a teacher that studied under him in a creative writing class at Evergreen State College. cool jewel.lol

[Anathema]

Who? Castro?

[AlteaDeo]

nope, Herbert

[Caid Ivik]

And Castro was much less opressive then Batista. So what's your point?

Much less oppressive? I don't think so... But Muad'Dib wasn't such isolationist, and for my God he was an aristocrat! Feudal boy! If you were heard by Castro, he would imprison you!

[Anathema]

When Paul took asylum among the fremen, he had nothing. His ducal title was an empty title.

Isolationist? Don't forget that Cuba would have a lot more contact with the rest of the world if the United States did not enforce an embargo on them.

[Acriku]

He had the weirding way, according to the movie ;)

[AlteaDeo]

He had the weirding way, according to the movie ;)

they did a movie based on Dune!!??? ;D

[Caid Ivik]

More than one, Altadeo ;D

Muad'Dib legalized his power over WHOLE Empire by marrying Irulan. Castro remained on his little island with friendship only with reggressive USSR and its satelites. Muad'Dib had no need for such support. Today is Castro isolationistic. When oyu go there, it's hard to get back, when you live there, you can't go out. Pure despotism.

[Anathema]

Why? Have you tried? Has anybody you know tried?

Besides, that's not the point. Castro is a saint in comparison with Batista.

[Caid Ivik]

I know some people. But we had also same regime here for 40 years, and I know, how it was. And everyone says me I've missed the worst. What did Batista in his some years? Castro was also a puppet in the hand of USSR. Ideas of Kominterna were still alive. It isn't best to compare it with fully independent fremen leader, Muad'Dib.

[Anathema]

I was joking >:(

Castro acted independantly from the USSR during the uprising. He wasn't even really a communist by then. Castro was forced into the hands of the USSR by US policies. And they weren't quite the puppets the eastern european countries were- the US wouldn't allow that.

And the Cubans were better off with Castro then with Batista. During Batistas rule they were slaves, with no schooling and no medical care. Castro changed that.

And even Castro is not perfect. I never stated that. But the US put up an agressive policy towards them, and thus created anti western sentiment among the people and the government. Anybody became paranoid- but there was a real threat of enemy spies trying to get to Cuba, don't deny that.

But hey, you hate socialists so much, go back in time and prevent Batista from getting disposed. I'm sure the people will be much happier being robbed on a daily basis instead of having health care and education.