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TonyD · January 16, 2003

neonext: don't panic! I'm still here, I have been on a bit of a break from programming recently but I'm having a go at networking again atm, then I'll probably fix the build lists tech level issues and stuff.

carryalls: I was thinking that the user will have to click repair on the unit, much like in dune2k. The unit will head towards the repair yard and if/when there is a free carryall it will be picked up and it will also be returned unlike in d2k.

turrets and power issues: The problem here is in the original dune2 missions there was never enough windtraps to power the computers rocket turrets so they will have to cheat and not require power in the original missions. I am planning to make it so user turrets do require power and ai turrets will cheat only in original dune2 missions.

I like the idea of being able to prioritise power output to rocket turrets in emergencies because this is a little more relistic. Perhaps production speeds could be halved in all other buildings when emergencvy mode is activated as to allow rocket turrets to run in low power situations. This way would be easy to use too.

Cyborg · January 18, 2003

And why not add a production mode too?

It's so annoying if you just placed a building that used too much power and all the production is slowed down.

What if there were a button that disabled all the turrets and such so that your construction yard and other buildings could produce as normal? :)

Will · January 18, 2003

And why not add a production mode too?
It's so annoying if you just placed a building that used too much power and all the production is slowed down.
What if there were a button that disabled all the turrets and such so that your construction yard and other buildings could produce as normal? :)

Meh. Then people would only build enough power plants to run one of the two, and easily switch when enemy units arrived. IMO, if you don't build enough power in advance, it's your own fault.

Hm. Maybe another idea is a button that lets you auto-kick any other player who attacked you? "Hippie mode". :P

Cyborg · January 18, 2003

Meh. Then people would only build enough power plants to run one of the two, and easily switch when enemy units arrived.

Well, you would have to watch teh base all of the time to ensure that the enemy didn't attack... People would still make plenty of power.

Will · January 18, 2003

Meh. Then people would only build enough power plants to run one of the two, and easily switch when enemy units arrived.
Well, you would have to watch teh base all of the time to ensure that the enemy didn't attack... People would still make plenty of power.

Radar.

Teg · January 19, 2003

Have latency, so that it takes time for a structures functionality to kick in after being powered up. This way one can't just instantly swap power supply modes, which would otherwise be quite pointless.

Will · January 19, 2003

Have latency, so that it takes time for a structures functionality to kick in after being powered up. This way one can't just instantly swap power supply modes, which would otherwise be quite pointless.

Hm. Sounds like an idea, though I still dislike the whole "power modes" thing/

TonyD · January 19, 2003

I think the best way is just to leave it as it was, ie no crazy power things.

inadequate power = no radar + no turret fire + maybe half construction speed? :-

Anyways networking is coming along nicely. Unit movements, and building now works. I'm trying to get the start multigame menu much like warcraft 3 has atm so u can quickly set team, house colour and add computers into the game. This will mean I'll have to adjust the map format but its possible i could have networking working well enough for release in maybe a week.

I am looking forward to getting this game completed so I can start on another fully 3d engine. ;)

Cyborg · January 19, 2003

I am looking forward to getting this game completed so I can start on another fully 3d engine. ;)

Can that 3dengine import 3dstudio max models? If so, I'd love to model all the models you might need ;D

vidiware · January 19, 2003

I am looking forward to getting this game completed so I can start on another fully 3d engine. ;)
Can that 3dengine import 3dstudio max models? If so, I'd love to model all the models you might need ;D

I thougt you said you were quite busy...

Cyborg · January 19, 2003

Yes I am too busy to make 3dmovies. Making 3dscenes and animation and such takes large amounts of time. Making a model though, only takes a day or three.

TonyD · January 20, 2003

I am looking forward to getting this game completed so I can start on another fully 3d engine. ;)
Can that 3dengine import 3dstudio max models? If so, I'd love to model all the models you might need ;D

Hmm, I'm not sure yet because I'm quite new to 3d graphics. I had a quick md2 viewer running before but thats about as much as I know u see. If you are up to the challenge of making an entire games or at least a significant amount of 3d models I would be interested indeed. :D

stefanhendriks · January 20, 2003

creating a 4d engine? :O well, good luck then!

Cyborg · January 20, 2003

If you are up to the challenge of making an entire games or at least a significant amount of 3d models I would be interested indeed. :D

I would be happy to model everything you need. (that's modeling, not 3dprogramming ;D)

TonyD · January 22, 2003

Ok then, well have to wait and see waht happens after this game is finished though.

I am happy to say networking now works, except for palace and starport functionality. The games do seem to stay in sync well and it no longer seems to crash. It does slow down abit because I'm sending to much data to keep it syncronised but I should be able to cut it down by alot. Soon we should be able to play 6 player dune2! :D

stefanhendriks · January 22, 2003

sounds sweet tony! Can't wait! :D ;D

vidiware · January 22, 2003

I have to agree this sounds nice

Cyborg · January 22, 2003

Is it possible to play over internet too?

Well, I'd be glad to play just over lan too!

stefanhendriks · January 22, 2003

well, the only difference between LAN and WAN are the ip numbers actually (Internet=very huge WAN :D). So i think it should be possible to play over the internet if you can arrange a match with some friends using msn/icq/irc...

neonext · January 23, 2003

yes, it will be possible, but.. there's two issues that come up from making the jump from LAN to internet

1) Lag. No matter where the two people are in the world (even in the same city), internet games will always have more lag than LAN games. Networking code that runs great on LAN is not gauranteed to work good on the internet.

2) Firewalls. This includes all types of networking hubs and routers people use to share internet access. Firewalls make it especially difficult to host games, but there is also a chance you will not be able to join games as well, unless you properly configure your hub/router to forward the required ports, as well as any software firewalls set up that are preventing you from connecting.

Cyborg · January 23, 2003

Yes the problem with internet play is:

An internet connection(take mine for instance which is 2mbit/per second) and compare it to the slowest network available, which is 10mbit...

We run 100mbit switch network at my home so that would yield 50 times the speed of my internet connection(theoretically. Because the location counts too. In a lan, the difference in the players locations is not big, but over internet it may be huge and therefore you get lag automatically).

This is why network code is so extremely important. Games that has a bad network code simple never get played over internet.

stefanhendriks · January 23, 2003

funny, HL has a crappy network code and gets played a lot (CS and all other mods are based uppon this engine). But, true, a real crappy network code will not be very good for the popularity of a game...

neonext · January 24, 2003

CS still has more online players than ALL first-person shooters COMBINED

And for the most part, it's a lag-free experience.

I wouldn't call that crappy!

TonyD · January 24, 2003

At the moment I would call my network code crappy :'(, so there is still a bit of work to do on it. It definitely will work over the internet. Im not sure how well though, so it will be up to u guys to test.

I fixed the major inefficincy of the net code and it now runs very well, Ill just get the palaces and starports working then release the next version :)

vidiware · January 24, 2003

That sounds good...

My brother are very interested in multiplayer dune2

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