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[emprworm]

The scheduled launch of my website for Tuesday night is now pushed back to Friday. Please see my post later on in this thread explaining.

Sorry guys!

[emprworm]

Also, I could use a Good BO for fisher plain 5k no starting units. I have some that I like, but if anyone is really really good with those settz, send me a BO! name the house and the units you make.

[rogue1896]

i've used ordos for a good while now. i doubt you'll need this but i'll tell you my bo anyway. hope it helps. i bet a lot of ppl use this tho.

at or below 10k anything above 10k

Deploy MCV Deploy MCV

Windtrap Windtrap

Barracks Barracks

Refinery Refinery

Windtrap Windtrap

Refinery Factory

Factory Factory

Windtrap Windtrap

Refinery Refinery

Factory Refinery

Windtrap Windtrap

Hangar Hangar

whatever else i feel like building. (i.e. sard barracks, fremen camp, starport, palace, etc. etc.)

[emprworm]

just IM me the BO's so this thread isnt cluttered with them :)

Thanks rogue, i'll check that one out on 5k

[Taqwa11]

Awesome, Emprworm. You know, that invitation to join M3T4L for Generals is always open for you, bud. I know, I know, the Star Wars massive multiplayer online pay-for-play thing is coming out, but come on, get Generals too. Your strategic mind and organizational skills would help so many people in Generals just like you've done for Emperor.

Thanks again, from all of us Emperor players who recognize brilliance when we see it.

[Fuzi0n]

And theres our generals representative again. ;D ;)

[emprworm]

thanks, Taq, the offer is well received. However, I am sticking with Dune until star wars comes out- which is very soon. cant wait.

[Taqwa11]

Generals representative? I've been called worse. LOL. Fuzion, I just like the guys on this forum and would like to see them in Generals after Emperor so undeservedly gets a second stake through its heart from another (Warcraft III being the first) great RTS game with better advertising and support.

Sorry, Emprworm. Just wanted to throw that in there. Didn't mean to disrupt the flow of your post. Carry on.

[d3m0nger]

Ok, here are my hark killer built orders; (Quick match settings Of course)

Hark versus. hark

Building. build order:

-Refinery

-Factory

-factory

-sardauker

-sardauker

-sardauker

-fremen camp

-fremen camp

-fremen camp (if there's room)

Unit built order :

-Mass gun infantry (because the ref is made first)

-Buzzsaws (Mass em)

-Sardauker (only normal sards)

-Fremen feydakin (worms if needed)

-Inkvine

And of course SKILL.

Hark Versus. Atreides.

Building. built order;

-Fremen camp

-factory

-refinery

-fremen camp (If needed)

-fremen camp (if needed)

Unit build order :

for rush :

- 2 buzzsaws

- 4 assault tanks (they own mino)

- Mass fremen feydakin (For rush worming Of course.)

- following by more buzzsaws

For late game:

- about 10 buzzsaw

- fremen Feydakin (Or Snipers to piss him of)

- 2-6 missle tanks

- 8 inkvines

And of course Skill

Hark versus Ordos

building. built order :

- Fremen camp

- factory

- Refinery

- fremen camp

- fremen camp

- refinery

Unit built order :

- Fremen feydakin (mass) --- (worms) <- (Don't use them if he has alot of gas units. gas men OWN worms)

- some gun infantry, not much.

- buzzsaws.

- Inkvines (If he goes mass kobra tank)

Now. Tips:

hark versus hark:

-In a rush game, Always have your infantry on a rock. Use the built order i provided and You schould have about 40 gun infantry.Use them carefully, If you lose them, You probable lost the match.

-check your spice field, He might send his Missle tank there, so always be carefull.

-If you both used a good built order. Result : You both have mass buzzsaw + infantry + sard. Never wait until the enemy gets Inkvines,Thats pointless, Unless your fighting a newbe that is.What you schould do is go arround his army (arround his infantry rock) and hit him from the side.U will win this if you used my Built order unlike your enemy did, Because you have tons of money and 4 buzzsaws popping out every Minute(+ the sards of course).If this din't work.. could've been because of the following reasons:

- You have lack of skills

- Your opponent has the same/diffrent built order (Atleast a very good One)

If this din't work you got another option.First get more buzzsaws infantry sards etc.. But use the time you have, Get Inkvines ASAP.

Once you both have inkvines, Use a worm and he will be distracted, Hit him Full blast from the side, and let the worm(s) come from the other side.This can not fail. It doesn't matter how good your opponent is, If you do this the right way, This can't fail.

Hark Versus. Atreides

Ok.Atreides is easely to beat in start.Cause they're weak in the beginning, Of course they can mass sandbike +infantry, But you always know Basic hark rush units are stronger.

- The first thing you must do is scout him good.If he goes Mino's and such. Use the following Tips;

Ok the first thing you must do is get a worm up and running. Worm his harvesters and his mino's (if they're in the sand of course).So you wont have to worry about quick mino attacks

(NOTE: this always works unless he massed snipers (which is stupit cause then he would have no money). Or ur just a moron.

-Then get more feds keep worming him, NEVER STOP WORMING ATREIDES. worm him until he has no more harvey's then.Get about 4 asault tanks + sum buzzsaws and the fremen to sw00p out the remaining Enemy units.

-Note: Always have 2 rocket soldiers next to your refinery incase he goes drone rush.

- Ok if the enemy goes Sandbikes and infantry:

This is easy to beat because u know your units are stronger then his. The atreides player will probable go for mass sand bike,some infantry/fremen and of course he'll try 2 Worm you.First thing you schould try is to kill a few harvey's with your worms or missle tank.But there is One problem, If he Uses worms then you got a problem, i always take care of that by checking each Courner in the map place scouts everywhere and kill every deployed fremen i see. If this doesn't work, and if he still gets his stinkin worm, U schould retreat all forces move all your harversters In your base move all your units 2 a safe spot. NEVER EVER FIGHT A WORM , unless you have 50 fremen snipers in late game.. Anyway Sand Bikes can't win it against buzzsaws.. He will probable get a mino after he massed sand bikes, If he gets that mino You have even a bigger problem, Thats why you attack his harvesters Before he gets that mino(s) so just push him, attack his harvesters every time, So he won't get the chance to built sand bikes.. He will probable go for drones so make sure u have 2 rockets units next to each refinery and of course a few rockets units in your spice field.If all goes well you schould win this easely.

Harkonnen Versus. Ordos.

-Always get some fremen up and running 2 kill the nasty kobratank,And the laser tanks if he lasers Your buzzsaws Etc..

-Go for some mass infantry+Buzzsaws (the usual stuff)and then If he's planning for late game, Get inkvines to wip his new kobra's That he made.Always check if he doesn't go Eits, by scouting Him Good.

i don't have more for ordos. Just need skills + these built orders

and u'll become top 5 no Doubt.

And remember this is just harkonnen.., i got built orders for atreides and ordos as well, but for ordos i suggest you ask xvayne or elite for those.

EDIT: i totally forgot, Marcel reminded me, Of course, this bo is based on the fact that you have alot of harversters because (vs hark) you built your ref first. So you can drop 1 or 2 decoy's in the battle field. which gives you even a bigger advantage.

Emprworm i made this for your site. I hope you can use this atleast the tips anyway.

This was quickly written. I prolly left some things out. And made alot of typo's

Good luck with this information All..

Regards

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[Razorox]

http://razorox.tripod.com

go there. I have about 5 of my classic ATR BO's that worked fairly well against almost anything. And I used these babies back when there was still competition going on ;D

[Marcel71]

hi d3monger..

Very nice tips.. But don't forget to use some harvies when u and your opponent have equal forces ;)

[d3m0nger]

Totally forgot.. Thats why i made the ref. So i could use more harveys DAMN IM SO DUMB ! il edit it right away. ;D

[Fuzi0n]

Yeah good tips and bo's d3m0nger only one thing, if ur playing a ordos rusher (mass dust&gas) ul need a fac first.

But then u MUST take out the kobra with ur missile, but if u have done that, then ull probably win the match.

[d3m0nger]

M tank doesn't kill the kobra in ONE shot so that doesn't work..

EDIT: And hey, this is just ONE of many bo's, i got a rank 4 (2 hark) with these bo's ended up with 700 points.. this is just 2 help out. If you like factory first, because you think (and alot of other players) it's better, then go and use that built order 8)

Regards.

avatar.

[emprworm]

i got a real treat going on my site.

2 tactics that I am quite sure no one has ever seen before.

these are a couple nuggets I have tucked away.

"Emprworm's Magic Saw"

and

"Emprworm's Kobra of Death"

The first BO- the magic saw gets you 8 buzzsaws with 5k no pre, no starting units before you even have a refinery. And you still place the refinery, and no...you dont sell your factory (that would be dorky!) :P

"WHAT THE....?" you might ask....."BUT....HOW?"

he he, I'll explain all soon enough. that was just a teaser.

;D

[emprworm]

almost forgot. The other secret bo: "Emprworm's Kobra of Death" gets you a Kobra + 3 dust scouts on 5k no pre, no starting units- and does it immediately. WOW. Imagine having THAT on a knife fight game where the only thing your opponent has is a bunch of infantry. And you still get a refinery out of it. Who wins that match...i wonder?

;)

[Taqwa11]

D3m0nger, those are some very nice BO's. One strategy I really can't stand is worms. I know that all the best players use them. Earedil is a master with worms. Lately, it seems that everyone is using them. I know it is a legitimate tactic--all's fair in war--but it sure seems that worms hurt Atreides more than any other house. Minos just can not move out of the way. The only solution I've found is to station Fremen warriors on guard all around the outskirts of your spice field. If you don't do this, even if you are winning the battle with great micromanagement and superior numbers, an inferior opponent can beat you. Worms are the one way that a beaten opponent can possibly salvage the game. I think that many of the best players keep several Fedaykin sitting on rock near the opponent's base, just in case things go bad. Good, cheap insurance, in other words.

[Taqwa11]

By the way, Gob, thanks for emptying Nav's trash from this post. You are an excellent moderator, in case you don't hear that enough.

[d3m0nger]

well taqway, if the enemy gets enough fremen to even kill worms, then it would to late for a worm rush ;)

[Fuzi0n]

M tank doesn't kill the kobra in ONE shot so that doesn't work..

EDIT: And hey, this is just ONE of many bo's, i got a rank 4 (2 hark) with these bo's ended up with 700 points.. this is just 2 help out. If you like factory first, because you think (and alot of other players) it's better, then go and use that built order 8)

Regards.

avatar.

Duh i know it doesnt kill the kobra in ones, but the kobra has like 1/4 health left so that should be no problem to take em out them (it worked against rinoc3rus ;)).

And im not critizing ur bo's there really good i was just making a suggestion.

And about the worms, good atr players always keep snipers around and keep a close lookout for thumping fremen.

[Elite47]

W8 for me to wakeup!! Ill be back in a half hour with some good BOs!!

[SurlyPIG]

I send you everything I know about harks in QM. Lots of stuff can work, but what I sent you is the most fool-proof stuff I've ever done, or had done against me.

I'll send you some ordos BOs and a couple good worm BOs later...maybe tonight maybe tomorrow. I need to take a break before I give myself tendonitis...Oh as well as my infamous QM guild BO.

[VigilVirus]

Harkonnen - 15K+

Deploy

Wtrap

Barracks - 2-3 scouts, 5-7 LI, 15-20 RI

Factory - 15-20 buzzsaws, 3-4 assault tanks

Factory

Refinery

Wtrap

Sard barracks - mostly elite

Sard barracks

Refinery

Wtrap

Refinery

This BO works well for me.

[SurlyPIG]

...He said to IM them...

[ethan]

dont add mine, this is just input :)

no pre 15k-up

windtrap

barracks

factory

windtrap

refinery

upgrade refinery

factory

upgrade ref

wintrap

ref

uref

uref

windtrap

sard

sard

fremen

wintrap

fremen

sard

fremen

windtrap

hangar.

maybe some rocket/gun turrets or 20-25 AA troopers scattered around important buildings.

my favorites with ordos

i like rushing with 15 gassers 10 sards 6 dusties and a few kobras.

if they use assault, i have a few las tanks. i suck tho