Sojuz Nerusimyj - all about Soviet Union

[Caid Ivik]

Many topics are marked by previous existence of undoubtely largest state ever - Union of Soviet Socialistic Republics. This topic is being started to discuss why it was born, why existed so long and what destroys it.

Bashar Oywind and EdricO are especially welcomed. ;D

[Anathema]

What does the title mean?

The Soviet Union and its puppets were not a representation of the communist idealogy. Only a fake, hollow shell of it, IMHO.

[The_Sadukar]

you know waht, 'nuker, thats damm right

[Edric O]

Bah, just read Trotsky's The Revolution Betrayed. He said it much better than I could. :)

[Terror]

teach me russian, teach me russian! :D

[Caid Ivik]

"Sojuz Nerusimyj" is a title of last soviet anthem, means something about "Union Invincible", but back to topic, please.

[Anathema]

This is an interesting thread- I'll look into it more.

Prior to the oktober revolution, all the power of Russia, both religious and governmental, lay with the czar Nicolas II. He wasn't a particulary nice ruler, and the people were starving to death. When the uprising was at high tide, the military refused to stop it and joined them instead, and Nicolas was forced to step away from the thronne.

[Caid Ivik]

Nicholas was not downed by communists. He abdicated in march, then ruled provisional democratic government led by Aleksander Kerenskij. Altough he was a socialist, he was a "menshevik", social democrat. After half-year Germans brought Lenin.

[Terror]

yes it is, btw how do you know all that information Earthnuker? your dutch right?

*off topic*

What are the following words/lines in russian?:

Hello

Bye

How are you doing?

I'll think of some more later :)

*end of off topic*

[VigilVirus]

I am russian and I have lived, though only for a short period, in the time of Communism.

Russia was pretty weak under Nicolas II and was losing the war against Germany. That is one of the causes of the October Revolution. When it was over Russia withdrew from the war. Lenin was in power at that time. Then Stalin came to power and WW2 began. It ended in 1945, and the same year began the Cold War. It lasted till 1990, when Soviet Union's economy crumbled and it fell apart.

The hymn would be: Soviet Nerushimiy respublic svobodnix vlatila naveki velikaya ruc'

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Those times were certainly bad for Russia. People were starving, etc. After Communism fell apart, Russia became democratic and is still struggling with its economic problems.

[VigilVirus]

yes it is, btw how do you know all that information Earthnuker? your dutch right?

*off topic*

What are the following words/lines in russian?:

Hello

Bye

How are you doing?

I'll think of some more later :)

*end of off topic*

Privet

Poka

Kak dela?

[Terror]

hmmm so if it weren't for the cold war, Russia and the US, might be of almost equal power right now?

[Anathema]

I didn't say the communists brought him down.

After the election, Lenin got only about 25 % of the votes. He wasn't too happy about this and declared the elections illegitimate. Lenin lead the Bolshevists (the reds) and his opponents were the whites (a particular general comes in mind, but I forgot his name right now).

And yeah, I'm Dutch. I usually find history interesting.

[Terror]

hmm yeah so am i, but my interest is more in the middle ages and B.C. instead of the 19th/20th century

[Anathema]

Bah. They didn't even have commies back then :P

[Caid Ivik]

You mean Wrangel? Whole Europe fought on white side. There were much rebellion groups, but they had unified too late. Lenin was a good demagogue.

Sto delat?

[Anathema]

Yeah, that's the guy I meant.

Anyhow, more from me tomorrow.

[AWACS]

YAY :D go Soviet Union Thread!

[Terror]

yes it is, btw how do you know all that information Earthnuker? your dutch right?

*off topic*

What are the following words/lines in russian?:

Hello

Bye

How are you doing?

I'll think of some more later :)

*end of off topic*

Privet

Poka

Kak dela?

damn this russian is too cool. i gotta move boys, cya at your borders :D

[Anathema]

Russian joke:

Stalin, Kruschev and Breznjev travel in a train. Suddenly the train ahakes and he eventually stops. Stalin takes charge and yells:

"Shoot the engineer, send the train staff to Siberia and get me new people!"

Slowly the train accelerates again, but a few miles further it stops again. Then Kruschev stands up:

"Release the train staff and put everybody back to work."

The train starts moving again, but it stops once more. Everybody now looks at Breznjev. He thinks for a while and then says:

"Close all the window curtains, and it will seem as if we're moving!"

[Anathema]

Btw, IMO the man that wrote the obituary of the Soviet union was Leonid Brezjnev. He secured his position and that of the other main members of the party for a lifetime. Eventually the Soviet union was led by nothing more then a collection of demented fossiles. Since there came no new people in the government, there was no initiative whatsoever.

[Caid Ivik]

Breznev, ten starij durak ?! He was one retrospective stalinist. Chruschev made some improvements, altough only little. But Gorbachov allowed more liberty and Union fell, with whole Warszaw Pact.

[Anathema]

Kruschev allowed liberty of speech, and shed light on the crimes Stalin committed. The commie party didn't at all like his ways and made him resign for "medical reasons".

ten starij durak

?

[Marcel71]

starij = old i think..

Stari konj = old horse :)

But why was Warschau Pact Made?

And did Russia have a change to be a socialistic country, or were they all the time sabotaged by non-socialistic coutries?

[Dunenewt]

Warschau?

Do you mean Warsaw?