DukeLeto Posted September 20, 2002 Share Posted September 20, 2002 Um, I would like to point some things out:1. Why does everyone hate WW now? You didn't always: O0Before you whine about Westwood not supporting its games like Blizzard does, think for a second: How many games does Westwood release in the time that Blizzard takes to release just one? OF COURSE Blizzard has greater support for its games, because there are so darn few of them and they come at long intervals!!Don't blame WW for not making Emperor good enough. That's not Emp's problem. The problem is advertising. The only mistake WW made with Emperor was the total lack of advertising. Nobody knows about this game! And it doesn't even have a popular brand name to support it, so it must start from scratch. There are many great games out there dying from lack of advertising... Emperor isn't the first or the last. 2. WestWood used to be owned by Virgin Games, an England-based company, so CnC was NOT an American flag waver. ::)3. I have had NO PROBLEMS with WW customer support. They are just as helpful and prompt as anyone else.4. Did anyone think they stop pathing because the bugs are mostly FIXED?! ::) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted September 20, 2002 Share Posted September 20, 2002 Jeez, you actually went searching for a quote like that?I hate WW because they make crappy games, even when something better has been released years ago. Starcraft and Earth 2150 were fantastic games, and WW comes up with sh1t like Ra2.What really makes me angry is that people actually buy their games >:(. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeLeto Posted September 20, 2002 Author Share Posted September 20, 2002 1. No, I just kinda found it.2. Base your statements on facts please. that was entirely pure opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted September 20, 2002 Share Posted September 20, 2002 Facts?1. WW games are usually less stable then products of other companies2. WW games never become classics. While people still play Starcraft almost nobody plays Ra anymore.3. Every game WW releases, is basicly a rip off from the last one but with slightly different units, but no extra strategy involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timenn Posted September 20, 2002 Share Posted September 20, 2002 Eh, I strongly disagree with the first point. I always found WW games one of the most reliable, there are alot of games which quit/crash without a reason, and WW games do that very rare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeLeto Posted September 20, 2002 Author Share Posted September 20, 2002 Facts?1. WW games are usually less stable then products of other companies2. WW games never become classics. While people still play Starcraft almost nobody plays Ra anymore.3. Every game WW releases, is basicly a rip off from the last one but with slightly different units, but no extra strategy involved.1. Um, no.2. What? I still play RA. And what about DuneII? ::)3. As opposed to Blizzard, in which you get three or four sides with nearly identical units? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timenn Posted September 20, 2002 Share Posted September 20, 2002 2. ?, yes I play still Dune II sometimes, and I had also times that I played many TS or RA or C&C and Dune2000!3. Eh, they developed ALOT of NEW units:Dune II: (all new)C&C: (almost all new)so according to you the rip-off would start here?RA: (Chrono Tank, Airplanes, Naval units, Paratroopers, Demolition truck)TS: (Subterrainean units, Artillery (never such range before), Hoovers, Mobile sensor array idea, hijackers, Carryalls)Emperor: (Wormriding, Contamination, Projecting, Scouts)And alot more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeLeto Posted September 20, 2002 Author Share Posted September 20, 2002 Very true. Just...beutiful... :'( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted September 20, 2002 Share Posted September 20, 2002 Dude, do you think the only RTS developpers are WW and Blizard ::)?My favourite game of all time is Earth 2150: The Moon Project. Each side is radicly different. The game was made by Topware, but that company was taken over by Zuxxez entertainment.Just because there are still 5-10 people online on a day doesn't mean it's still alive ::). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frodo Posted September 20, 2002 Share Posted September 20, 2002 i agree, there are many many more companies that make good games, yet no one knows about them or gives them the credit they deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terror Posted September 20, 2002 Share Posted September 20, 2002 I'm not saying that Westwood sux. I DO say that westwood has become less good/popular when it was bought by EA. I mean first it had instant classics like RA, C&C, Dune2, Blade Runner, Lands of Lore II. But since dune2000 their games haven't been that popular anymore. I mean TS kinda fucked it up (i'm sorry to say this guys) but many people like me found it to be so disappointing that i was not sure what to think of westwood. E:bfd however was very good in my opinion but it was hardly supported and strangely not very popular.Blizzard however (it's greatest rivals) are still doing good and they are having an advantage from westwoods way of producing games now. They make many games but none of them sell as many copies as blizzard does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frodo Posted September 20, 2002 Share Posted September 20, 2002 yes, but remember, when you say that emperor was good, westwood didn't even make it! So the one good game they made since EA bought them is none! Because Emperor was made by IG! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terror Posted September 20, 2002 Share Posted September 20, 2002 it was?#@$%^#$%^@#%@# goddamnt westwood, CAN'T YOU DO ANYTHING RIGHT? EVEN THE ONLY GOOD GAME THAT HAS WESTWOODS NAME ISN'T MADE BY YOU! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted September 20, 2002 Share Posted September 20, 2002 And if you think they created House Ordos- they did not. House Ordos was made up by some guy who wrote a story about it.http://www.dune2k.com/forum/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=217Anyway, don't buy WW games anymore. Buy FA: WoE and Earth 2160, Zuxxez games http://www.dune2k.com/forum/attachments/sunglassez.gif. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frodo Posted September 20, 2002 Share Posted September 20, 2002 that was Dr. Willis McNelly, who wrote the Dune Encyclopedia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guusr5644 Posted September 20, 2002 Share Posted September 20, 2002 i like ww they make a good games thati like very much, but the only problem with ww is that theyabondoned there games but still not completly they love somuch there CnC games that they only put attantion to themand dont have time for the dune games ;) so thats why thename of EBFD is not very atractiv name hehe but as soon asiv got RA2 i saw the sneak peek and i wanted emperor so muchthat i could kill someone and as soon as it was out in my country i buyed it :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frodo Posted September 20, 2002 Share Posted September 20, 2002 yes, i didn't like RA2 too much. :P But Emperor is great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobalopper Posted September 20, 2002 Share Posted September 20, 2002 Well Westwood didn't come up with the name Ordos but they did basically create them. All the DE shows of the Ordos is a House Insignia, which WW didn't even use, and how many votes they had in the Landsraad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navaros Posted September 21, 2002 Share Posted September 21, 2002 The bugs in Emperor are not mostly fixed, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I could literally write a feature-length book about all the bugs in Emperor and why they irrefutably ruin Emperor gameplay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeLeto Posted September 21, 2002 Author Share Posted September 21, 2002 it was?#@$%^#$%^@#%@# goddamnt westwood, CAN'T YOU DO ANYTHING RIGHT? EVEN THE ONLY GOOD GAME THAT HAS WESTWOODS NAME ISN'T MADE BY YOU!I might point out that StarCraft: Ghost is being designed, programmed, and drawn by a different company. Blizzard just gets to stick their name on the box. :P The Dream lives on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twin-Head Posted September 21, 2002 Share Posted September 21, 2002 1. Westwood has a different programing style, so it's impossible to say which one is 'better' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeLeto Posted September 21, 2002 Author Share Posted September 21, 2002 Good point. But to say that WestWood sucks without just cause is, well, wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twin-Head Posted September 21, 2002 Share Posted September 21, 2002 Thats an opinion. An opinion can't be "wrong" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted September 21, 2002 Share Posted September 21, 2002 I've already posted this link, but I'm doing it again :P.http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002WW makes games that are just so...simple. SC and WCIII are in depth games, as is Earth 2150. But even a 4 year old can learn to play WW games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twin-Head Posted September 21, 2002 Share Posted September 21, 2002 And you would know this because.... YOUR A 4-YEAR OLD j/k j/k j/k! ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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