Ken's multiplayer guide: Atreides

[ken124578]

harkonen have superb anti aircraft units ::)

[IxianMace]

Oh, and you're going to have lots of superb anti-aircraft defence units lying around your base after his rush has almost destroyed you are you? ::)

[ken124578]

yeah because aa fire is anti tanks + fedaykins and mass buzsaws = mass destruction on the other side ;D

[IxianMace]

So I assume that you're rushing him now. I thought we were still on the subject matter of defending yourself from his rushes. ???

[ken124578]

umm... no, we were talking about efficiently killing his rush ::)

besides, if he got all that what do I have?

[IxianMace]

Okay okay to clear things up. This is the scenario. You don't have jack as far as base defence goes. You have only a few basic units (Buzzsaws, Dust Scouts, or Sand Bikes, etc) and some infantry. You've just repelled his first rush but his second rush is on its way along with, say 4 gunships. What would you do? :P

[ken124578]

4 gunships... build an gunturret, wait for the gunners to arrive, then deploy the gunturret so that the gunships are in range, he will destroy 1/2 of'em, and 1/2 gunships can't do much damage!

[IxianMace]

Assuming you have 1200 solaris to spare from producing units for defence as well. Ok then, what about the rush?

[ken124578]

4 gunships = hangar + upgrade + landingpad + the gunships

1 gun turret = upgrade + windtrap + turret, whats cheaper?

now about that rush, HE is attacking with anti tank vehicles only, then i make troopers/buzsaws and fedaykin, i only make the buzsaws so that my infantry wont get runover fast.

this is an killer combo against anti tank vehicles, just ask some top players

[Devastator_Mech]

He's right in the first sentence.

Anti-tank is Assaut, Mongoose, and Lasers. But a what about a Mintaurus? It can be considered as an anti-tank units too....... and anti-infantry........

[ken124578]

where'd my post go? oh well better type it again.

an minotaur is good against tanks and light tanks but is useless against armor or airunits ;)

[Devastator_Mech]

Except Sardaukar and Fremen, all infantry will be kill by the minotaurus no matter what.

[ken124578]

Except Sardaukar and Fremen, all infantry will be kill by the minotaurus no matter what.

not sard. elites, and i wont send any infantry except fedaykins against an minotaur ;)

[ethan]

Except Sardaukar and Fremen, all infantry will be kill by the minotaurus no matter what.

not sard. elites, and i wont send any infantry except fedaykins against an minotaur ;)

just make sure they're enough feds to kill the mino almost instantly, or you wont live. and make sure only one minotarus

[Devastator_Mech]

Except Sardaukar and Fremen, all infantry will be kill by the minotaurus no matter what.

not sard. elites

I'll doubt that, if the sard. elites ar bunched up, then bl, but if you micromanage them then.........

[ken124578]

an sard elite can survive an full mino round, no matter in what numbers they are.

[Edric O]

Off topic: Ken, when are you gonna make a guide for the Ordos?

[ken124578]

Off topic: Ken, when are you gonna make a guide for the Ordos?

done ;)

[Devastator_Mech]

an sard elite can survive an full mino round, no matter in what numbers they are.

yes i know, but i'm trying to point out that a reasonable amount of Imperial Sardaukars or Fremens could take out a minotaurus.

[ken124578]

yes, but i'd rather send in sard. elite's or fedaykins to face an minotaur instead of losing an few regular sardaukars ;)

[Devastator_Mech]

Well even though i love the Imperial Sardaukars and hate Fremens being cowards by camerflaging, but its the fact that a group of Fremen Fredaykins is more effective against ground vehicles than a group of Imperial Sardaukar Elites.

[IxianMace]

a group of Fremen Fredaykins is more effective against ground vehicles than a group of Imperial Sardaukar Elites.

Depends on the situation. Fremen Fedaykin often get run over my vehicles like Buzzsaws. Sarduakar Elite have more range, and they explode when they get run over, so they can be very effective against vehicles compared to the Fedaykin as well.

[Devastator_Mech]

I'll doubt that, even though the Sardaukars have better armour, the Elites does less damage to a vehicle than a Fredaykin could.

For example: A Fredaykin with 3 chervon could destroy a missile or Inkvine with one blast, i don't think an Elite could.......

[IxianMace]

Well the Missile Tank won't do anything to the Sarduakar Elite unless it runs over it (and takes damage) and it could easily dodge the Inkvine barrel from the catapult as well. I'm not sure about an elite Fedaykin killing an undamaged Inkvine Catapult with no chevrons in 1 shot though, and the catapult (although seriously damaged) could run over the Fedaykin. Weren't you talking about a GROUP of Fedaykin or Sarduakar Elites as well? Since when were we focusing on ONE Fedaykin or Sarduakar Elite?

[Devastator_Mech]

Well if even a single units could perform such a task, then a group for be deadly......