Real rulers of the world

[gryphon]

"all those senators and such always used encrypted satellite feeds. its a 256 bit encryption, and it is really hard to trace a satellite if the codes change daily.. makes ya wonder."

Tracing a satellite hasn't got anything to do with the signal it send out. Well not the way you'r mentioning it that is. Any signal can do just fine, as long as it is a signal. And besides that, to locate and track the "phisical satellite" it doesn't even have to give of a signal. [ other then light ]

The even have encrypted phone lines, hard lines so to speak. Hell you can even have one at home. That reminds me, do you have any idea what kind of signal passes between my computer and my server ?

Besides that you can buy hardware encrypted ethernet card in the store. [ well in my store you can ;) ;D ]

Encryption just means they want some privacy, for verry good reasons, not always the conspiracy you suggest.

And I'm still curious, what is that thing you mentioned earlyer wo "don't know about" ?

There is no "X-files" like conspiracy [ if you ask me ]. Just some organisations, governments and companies with a lot of power. A lot of controle. All with there own secret agenda. But I recon that's basically it.

[undsputed]

I am certain that whatever they are testing in well hidden places miles and miles away from anything is likely technology we haven't seen before...next generation planes perhaps. There was probably a time when they flew the B2 stealth bomber at that base. And none of us, unless someone lies and says they work at area 51, has the slightest idea of what they could be developing/studying.

[ordos45]

Actually China is a Communist country with nuclear weaponry. Hence, threat.

[Duneguy]

"all those senators and such always used encrypted satellite feeds. its a 256 bit encryption, and it is really hard to trace a satellite if the codes change daily.. makes ya wonder."

Tracing a satellite hasn't got anything to do with the signal it send out. Well not the way you'r mentioning it that is. Any signal can do just fine, as long as it is a signal. And besides that, to locate and track the "phisical satellite" it doesn't even have to give of a signal. [ other then light ]

The even have encrypted phone lines, hard lines so to speak. Hell you can even have one at home. That reminds me, do you have any idea what kind of signal passes between my computer and my server ?

Besides that you can buy hardware encrypted ethernet card in the store. [ well in my store you can ;) ;D ]

Encryption just means they want some privacy, for verry good reasons, not always the conspiracy you suggest.

And I'm still curious, what is that thing you mentioned earlyer wo "don't know about" ?

There is no "X-files" like conspiracy [ if you ask me ]. Just some organisations, governments and companies with a lot of power. A lot of controle. All with there own secret agenda. But I recon that's basically it.

Tracing a satellite hasn't got anything to do with the signal it send out. --yeah if you trace a satellites signal and it traces back to the KGB so to say, that has nothing to do with the signal.. alright.... and satellite signals that you dont know the code for, and having them constantly change isnt very easy at all to crack..

phone lines can be tapped.. only if you have your lines sweeped do you know there arent any bugs... bugs can be put almost n e where.. satellites that signal directly to another phoen rules out bugs.....

[exatreide]

Well you cant tract it back to the KGB for the KGB dosnt exist any more.....if memory survs me right..........

[Duneguy]

hrmm. i was just tryign to say.. if they are traced to say osama bin laden, since if memory serves me right, he is still alive, that that could be a very bad thing.. he could be leakign inside info and helping the terrorist escape and kill more people.. its funny how there are moles everywhere.

[exatreide]

Since when could al cada have enough funds to put a satilite into space ;)

[TMA_1]

Supposedly the KGB doesnt exist but there are reports that it still does in secret. Dont know if I believe it though. It would be a very effective weapon for terror if terrorists pirated the software to control communications and GPS satillites. It is very possible and actually has been attempted before. If that happened boy would that suck.lol

[Duneguy]

umm people can hack into satellites( this much i do know)..... people that work for al queda have people that DO have funds to put satellites. Osama comes for a line of rich paki's or somethign like that... it was on CNN like 2 months after 9/11....

Of course the KJB prolly still has a small group around. i mean come on... there has to be ;)

[Acriku]

Gryphon said trace the satellites, not their signal, as you did to in the post he replied to. So before you put some sarcastic comment in your post, make sure it's even right...

I saw on Alias a computer sends a spider to fly across the transmissions not being detected because it's only there for a short amount of time. You can do cool stuff with it, reroute it, eavesdrop, etc.

And just want to point out that memory wouldn't do much to say whether Laden is alive, because we haven't even found him, dead or alive.

And Al queada would crack into another satellite before putting up one, it is less conspicuous and cheaper.

[Caid Ivik]

KGB doesn't exist. After 1991 it's personell had moved into FSB or politics - for example Putin. But KGB was just a tool of communist reign, no separate power.

[gryphon]

Acriku's responds was about what I was going to say. You are talking about the satellite, not DECODING the encripted signal. And it doesn't matter when you want to track the signal, decoded or coded or both good when you just need to TRACE the signal.Why the H!ll does Al Quida want's to break into a satellite ?Osama Bin Laden had some laptops, a desktop and satellite phones in one of his cave complpexes, the phone just uses a satelite directly, no need to hack in the darned thing. And Yes, US intelligence traced the signal of his sat-phone, you might recal that they picked up a call from the border some months after the raids started ::)"phone lines can be tapped.. only if you have your lines sweeped do you know there arent any bugs... bugs can be put almost n e where.. satellites that signal directly to another phoen rules out bugs....."I didn't say you can't tap a phone line, just that you can encrypt the signal just a easy as a satellite signal.And a sweep of anyone that hasn't got direct access to the providers hardware is useless. You can't tell if your provider is linking the signal to another output without giving back an input from that side. Satellites send signals directly ? Please .. .a phoneline is more direct then a satellite. Getting a signal from a satellite is one of the most easiest things to do. Giving the fact that you have a reciever that can handel the band the sat. is using.

[Duneguy]

Satellites send signals directly ? Please .. .a phoneline is more direct then a satellite. Getting a signal from a satellite is one of the most easiest things to do. Giving the fact that you have a reciever that can handel the band the sat. is using.

Hmm in the post above you all are talking about tracing a satellite or what?i dunno.. what good would that do . it in geosynch. orbit... where it will continue to be...

and the Alqeda thing.. Lets just enter ourselves into their position... we know we are being hunted for right? well if he can hack into the hunters satellite feeds, we can find out what they are doing and seeing , no? so that would give them the chance to run..

Satellites were made to be more encrypted no? and thats why the PENTAGON and such use them. orders and such between there and the white house are satellite. And if that is usless then why does intellegence do constant sweeps on their lines?

hmm if you do a trace route and it ends up in Asia instead of france, say bounces to hawaii, them malaysia, then to asia and then to France, instead of directly to france would constitute that the provide is routing the call to other places, and that means that its not direct, or as direct as a satellite which is up to teh satellite and back down to the receiver. if a provider for telephones routes that more that means more wires that teh signal crosses.. and that means more places to tap..

none of the things i said were meant to be back or sarcastic in any way....

ohh and that one KGB operative that now works for the states, i dont remember his name, he was on the news, n e way, he said that there IS small groups of KGb, nothing, nothing even close that compares to the old KGB and dont rule as they did.. so there is minute(small) KGB

[vidiware]

No KGB

No Aliens

No Peace

Much War

What a world we live in.

Lucky you having a Area51 map...

Propellers, Caid? New ones or old ones? Propellers are quite old..

[Duneguy]

what are u talkign about no aliens? lol and its not a detailed map, just an overview..... it covers a lot of area... i may be able to get ya a copy. i will have to talk to my father, which is something i dont do much

[Caid Ivik]

Propellers, Caid? New ones or old ones? Propellers are quite old..

Haven't you heard about mighty VR-3 Rejs or O-1 Sojka? They look like models, but I'm sure they use alien technology found in crash site Medzilaborce.

[Acriku]

Are you suggesting that coconuts migrate? Errr, are you suggesting that they are using alien technology to furtherly advance their units? Alien conspiracies, come on man, where's the "undeniable" proof?

[gryphon]

He, don't blame me. You started anout tracing a satellite ?!

And if you ment the signal that get's directed by the satellite, the same applies. You do not have to be able to decode the signal in order to see where the origon or "destenation" [ for as far that applies ] of the signal is lacated.

And what the - ?

You are mixing up DECODING a signal and TRACING a signal. Decoding on a hard line can be done just as effectieve as with a satellite feed. You claimed to have some insight in "secrect" things [ of the USoA government for one ] but you don't know they DO NOT use the public phone line. They have there own fiberoptic net to communicate between stations and sutch ::)

[ Even the Dutch military has his own fiberoptic net, compleately seperate from the puplic communication net ]

A satellite signal can be "taken out of the air anywhere on the side if this planet where the sat. is. A phone line can just be tapped when your line hs the same switching point and routing stations as the one you want to tap. That's the idea behind a SECURE line. You don't bounce the signal thourh evry relay station in the US. You get a direct and secure phone line. With as bones an encryption.

Satellites are designed [ mil. sats. ] to handel encrypted signals, just as the "phone lines" of the US government. Do you really think they use the same net ? I've mentioned the Motorola STU III phone before, have you any idea what that is ? You don't make calls with that "phone" on the civilian phone net of the US. ..

And the Pentagon [ as example ] HAS access to the phone companies hardware, and don't no if you saw that part of my previous post.. . it's only usefull when you have those kind of recourses.

Besides that, the US government and military do not use the same communications nets as you and I at this moment, that are not public net's ! They have some connections to public communication net's, but the encrypted comms they use are private.

[ Not all mill sats are in cyo sync, it depends on there function. But comm's usually are. ]

Then, where Acriku asks for "undeniable proof" I won't go that far. Just an indication of something that can be alien. And not a ghost story, or some object we can't explain and know of. Just something .. .. .

[ordos45]

I think only part of the Pentagon has that, you see for the past few years they have been renovating the interior slowly. They couldn't tear it down because it is a national landmark. They couldn't even tear it down after a plane crashed into it.

[gryphon]

Ofcourse, not all lines are secure and encrypted. But then, not all lines are worth tracing. So when you start talking about the encrypted satellite links, those "common" lines arn't joining the conversation. Well, that's what I assumed.

:)

[Nyarlathotep]

KGB, Bin laden, satellite's, who, where, what, how..

What it all comes down to for us "simple" folks is just guessing. Non of the members here on this board is able to say something that's true.

There's much more going on and much more out there that we can ever suspect. If we continue this discussion, it'll break all records and become as old as this forum lasts..

my 2 cnts though..

[gryphon]

"There's much more going on and much more out there that we can ever suspect."In a way I doubt that. Governments are just as unorganisted as a lot of other things. And information is also leaking from governmental and military agencies.And about guessing, in a way you are right and I agree. But there are a lot of people working in high positions that just can't keep there mounth shut for what reason soever.And to who are you refering with "simple folks" ? ;)No one is simple, and if we would be, even a "simple persone" can stumble into verry "complicated" information.As axample, just after sept 11 the NSA released some documents they found at Qaeda members. You could [ with press or other valid id ] get a copy of those documents because they where verry proud that they could show the world they had some of suspects communique. They soon realised there mistake and now those documents are marked "Top Secret". So there now are some lucky blokes out there with "Top Secret" US intel inforamtion sitting at home.

[Nyarlathotep]

But still we do not know anything what goes on. Sure, we might know the top of the iceberg, but you do not see what's underneatch the service ;)

[exatreide]

untill the iceberg hits the titanic and kills 2,000 people..............er......well then you have to go for a swim

[Duneguy]

Non of the members here on this board is able to say something that's true.

that sopunds really good and has a point.. but i DO know one truth

there is a lot that people dont know and are better off knowing.

thats what i think tho..

and my father said if ya go to roswell , they have shops that have some simple maps of area 51 with liiustrations of what "MIGHT" be there, lol and what they think are in teh buildings.