Origin of Life: Another Great Challenge to Darwinism

[Wolf]

Athanasios, I am afraid I do not understand your comment. Why have you quoted an ellipses? What the hell are you talking about?

[athanasios]

The comments of the authors you quoted.

[Tatar Khan]

Trust me. The West of today has NOTHING to do with Christianity. The West today is a porno-loving, adulterous, gender-confused, perverse, debt-loving, profane society. And in such a culture there is no respect for elders.

Here the problem with this statement the West today has not changed much from the West of yesterday. We were as porno-loving, adulterous, gender-confused, perverse, debt-loving, profane society as we are today. Proof: Georgian London had at moderate estimates about 50,000 prostitutes in it (they even raised age of consent from 13 to 16 to combat that) and that is given population of 3 million. Madrid during the Habsburg monarchy had one pub/casino/brothel for 100 people (and this was society under the strong influence of Inquisition). Read Dante

[Dante]

Oh no, I'm far more ambitious than that. Seventh or broke!

[SandChigger]

LOL. I'd cheer you on from the sidelines except, like, I don't believe in Hell. ;)

[ErasOmnius]

Let me re-phrase: The West is not Christian, nor has it ever really been.

There have been "deals" cut with the leaders of Christianity -- "no persecution, you support the state" -- mainly Constantine in the 300s.

But in the last few years, that centuries-old "deal" is being cast away, for a state that will soon be utterly hostile to the concept of the Book and Christ.

[athanasios]

Agree! 'Christianity' was used as a tool to suppress and enslave the people. Now the tool used is fear of economic collapse.

-Work you slaves, work! Because all of you have got the inscription of the beast on your foreheads...

[Tatar Khan]

Let me re-phrase: The West is not Christian, nor has it ever really been.

There have been "deals" cut with the leaders of Christianity -- "no persecution, you support the state" -- mainly Constantine in the 300s.

But in the last few years, that centuries-old "deal" is being cast away, for a state that will soon be utterly hostile to the concept of the Book and Christ.

The West is Christian:

The system of law is based on the Judeo-Christian traditions

Our philosophy is also rooted in the Judeo-Christian traditions as well.

Many western leaders are church goers.

Countries like Italy and USA have a strong Christian lobby groups.

Our moral code and ethics are grounded in the Christian traditions.

Large number of medieval literature emphasizes the Christian values and power of the faith.

The church not always has been the underling of the state and often was the leader. It could excommunicate the rulers of the different states and that would be enough to bring them huge problems such as loss of the crown.

When the America was being discovered the missionaries were the essential element of the West that arrived.

West is Christian but it just doesn

[MrFlibble]

I agree, there is absolutely no reason in denying the fact that Christian tradition was one of the major forces that influenced the course of Western civilization. The other thing is that "Christian tradition" itself was subject to change over all these centuries.

[athanasios]

Pretty wrong. Not Christian at all. Influenced and shaped? Yes. If you have any objections read the Bible.

[MrFlibble]

Not Christian at all. Influenced and shaped? Yes.

Tricks with words.

[ErasOmnius]

How can America be founded as a 'Christian' nation when all African-Americans slaves could be bought and sold as property, killed, or have the families separated for the country's first 90 years?

Or the 'Trail of Tears' for Native Americans in the 1800s. A wholesale genocide occurred, in which thousands of indigenous people were brutally killed.

If this were a Christian nation, how could there be over a million abortions annually?

The fact of the matter is: A nation cannot be Christian, only individual people can.

Democracy is a concept from the ancient Greece, there is no mention of a democracy or a republic in the New Testament.

It's best if Christians stay out of the political forum completely.

[Dante]

Who'd have thought it, we actually agree on something. Seperation of church and state is very important.

[SandChigger]

How can America be founded as a 'Christian' nation when all African-Americans slaves could be bought and sold as property, killed, or have the families separated for the country's first 90 years?

Oh please, GMAFB. The Bible, both Old Testament and New, was used to justify slavery by the good "Christians" of the South. ::)

Or the 'Trail of Tears' for Native Americans in the 1800s. A wholesale genocide occurred, in which thousands of indigenous people were brutally killed.

But... but... they were pagan savages! Hardly even human! And besides, it was America's GOD-GIVEN DESTINY to cover the continent! ::)

It's best if Christians stay out of the political forum completely.

NOW you're talking!

[Eliyyahu]

How can America be founded as a 'Christian' nation when all African-Americans slaves could be bought and sold as property, killed, or have the families separated for the country's first 90 years?

Or the 'Trail of Tears' for Native Americans in the 1800s. A wholesale genocide occurred, in which thousands of indigenous people were brutally killed.

If this were a Christian nation, how could there be over a million abortions annually?

The fact of the matter is: A nation cannot be Christian, only individual people can.

Democracy is a concept from the ancient Greece, there is no mention of a democracy or a republic in the New Testament.

It's best if Christians stay out of the political forum completely.

America is undeniably a christian nation.  Despite all attempts to keep religion out of politics, it is constantly used to gauge candidates, and becomes one of the most important issues, accusing this or that person of not being born again enough, because that is the kind of stuff that is important to the christian majority.  I know you guys like to disown the people who embarrass you, but it's not your call to make.  There are a large majority of christians in the country, and they shape everything, down to the content of the textbooks we use.  All groups have their greats, their evils, and the large majority dispersed in between.  Life is difficult, people have to make decisions, those decisions have repercussions on themselves and beyond, and they are not always easy black and white situations.  And you can talk about the vengeful "old testament god," but what we endure here is the extent of our suffering.  His side of the christian bible isn't the one sending non-believers to hell.

[athanasios]

And I can useSnadChigger's posts to kill and kill and kill whoever I like! - Survival of the fittest!

Christianity doesn't speak about Democracy or Republic because Christians uphold Theocracy. But this doesn't mean that a Christian is politically neutral. Simply you cannot see the evil around you and not say a word or do nothing. If you do so you are a fake Christian, a Hypocrite (Much like the Communists nowadays who offer no solution to any issue but complains, because they wish the collapse of our civilization so they can promote their agenta. Someone else mentioned something similar in this forum-quote omitted intentionally). Jesus condemned the evildoers and took action in the temple.

Now Theocracy means that we leave God to direct our steps and not that we leave the scum that is self appointing itself as God's representative to master our lives.

All takes place in a Democratic manner but under the light of the scriptures and guidance of the holy spirit which is granted if we pray to God.

[SandChigger]

And I can useSnadChigger's posts to kill and kill and kill whoever I like! - Survival of the fittest!

Um... how to put this delicately.... You're a moron, because you obviously haven't understood anything I've posted here.

I've a question for the moderators: Is this little bigot being tolerated for some unfathomable reason, or are you all just out to lunch or something?

[MrFlibble]

And I can useSnadChigger's posts to kill and kill and kill whoever I like! - Survival of the fittest!

What's this, an interpretation of the evolutionary theory? :O Seriously, that's beyond all sanity.

[ErasOmnius]

America is undeniably a christian nation.  Despite all attempts to keep religion out of politics, it is constantly used to gauge candidates, and becomes one of the most important issues, accusing this or that person of not being born again enough, because that is the kind of stuff that is important to the christian majority.  I know you guys like to disown the people who embarrass you, but it's not your call to make.  There are a large majority of christians in the country, and they shape everything, down to the content of the textbooks we use.  All groups have their greats, their evils, and the large majority dispersed in between.  Life is difficult, people have to make decisions, those decisions have repercussions on themselves and beyond, and they are not always easy black and white situations.  And you can talk about the vengeful "old testament god," but what we endure here is the extent of our suffering.  His side of the christian bible isn't the one sending non-believers to hell.

I don't vote, because I don't believe in partaking in the Democratic process, which is one based on Greek philosophy, not on the New Testament.

I think that sometimes what we may understand as Christian influence, may be the collective influence of some Christian thought, such as textbook material.

Greed usually wins out in the end, such as slavery until 1865.

Selfishness by some involved and not caring at all about the child before birth - over a million surgical abortions a year.

It is impossible to say that American is Christian, with such huge abortion numbers staring us in the face.

[Eliyyahu]

I don't vote, because I don't believe in partaking in the Democratic process, which is one based on Greek philosophy, not on the New Testament.

You realize the NT is written entirely in Greek with a few (sometimes poor) attempts at transliterating Hebrew or Aramaic words and phrases, right?  That the earliest Christian writings (Paul) are replete with Hellenistic ideas which are completely foreign and antithetical to the Hebrew Bible?  That the Gospel of John begins with a purely Greek idea ("logos") with no basis in the Hebrew Bible?  Your decision to abstain from Greek philosophy hasn't worked out so well.

I think that sometimes what we may understand as Christian influence, may be the collective influence of some Christian thought, such as textbook material.

Greed usually wins out in the end, such as slavery until 1865.

Selfishness by some involved and not caring at all about the child before birth - over a million surgical abortions a year.

It is impossible to say that American is Christian, with such huge abortion numbers staring us in the face.

I just said it, so obviously it's not impossible, and demographics back up my assertion.  There may be more and more agnostics and unaffiliated people in the country, but the country is still overwhelmingly Christian.  It may not be the perfect theocracy you hope for (which is also only loosely based on the Hebrew Bible), but it is nontheless Christian.

[Wolf]

I don't vote, because I don't believe in partaking in the Democratic process, which is one based on Greek philosophy, not on the New Testament.

I think that sometimes what we may understand as Christian influence, may be the collective influence of some Christian thought, such as textbook material.

Greed usually wins out in the end, such as slavery until 1865.

Selfishness by some involved and not caring at all about the child before birth - over a million surgical abortions a year.

It is impossible to say that American is Christian, with such huge abortion numbers staring us in the face.

Oh, come on. This seals it. ErasOmnius is a joke. Either the account is a sockpuppet of someone else on here, or he's just some 16 year old who's mad at his father and gets a kick out of this. "I don't vote, because I don't believe in partaking in the Democratic process, which is one based on Greek philosophy, not on the New Testament?" Who actually believes that? No one is this ridiculous. No, buddy, you don't vote because you're not old enough. Either way, this is all just nonsense. That's actually really reassuring, I'll be honest.

[SandChigger]

(If he's either, he's gone to a LOT of trouble establishing the persona across multiple sites.)

[athanasios]

Hmm! Since my last post: A lot of backseat moderating and insults.

Now to the meat:

The Gospel of Matthew was written in Hebrew not Greek.

Once again 15 - 30 % of the population that doesn't vote is insulted by what is already posted here.

As a true Christian I don't vote. And I wouldn't vote even if I wasn't a Christian. Show me a Democracy where I can vote. Since none exists I am not going to vote and thus give my consent to the crime that is committed against humanity. No, thanks. As Pilate said: "I wash my hands."

[Acriku]

I don't know athanasios... Wikipedia says The Gospel of Matthew was believed to be originally in Greek. Cited by : Bart Ehrman, Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millennium, Oxford University Press, p.43

[athanasios]

Ah yes, again the scum of wikipedia and the fairy tales of Q.

If you read the article well you will notice the stupidity and anti-christian propaganda of wikipedia and those so-called scholars it favors:

It mentions that Papias, who was born ~20-25 years after the Gospel was really written (but intentionally omits the dates) and was a disciple of apostle John, verifies that it was written in Hebrew, but adds that professor Ehrman says that he was not referring to that book. Why doesn't it quote me instead (LOL) or some of my friends who are older than that Ehrman and have devoted their whole lives in biblical research?

Ah, yes, Hitler was an angel and the Hitler we know about is an invention of S, the secret propaganda agency of the Allies who won the war and 6000000 Jews were never killed but committed suicide themselves... (And I hope this thesis will not be included in wikipedia! LOL).