a interesting question...

kloball31 · July 14, 2001

this just came to me. do you guys think there is any connection between Shaddam and Saddam Hussein? i think there is parallelism here...

tobias · July 14, 2001

i doubt it, do you now how old the original

book is?

cyclonus · July 14, 2001

Really old is my guess.

Edric O · July 14, 2001

1962 is my guess...

peseverance · July 14, 2001

maybe Saddam's parents read the book ;D

ackbar · July 15, 2001

maybe Frank was a reincarnation of Nostradamus?

Edric O · July 15, 2001

Maybe Frank just picked a random arab name for the Emperor and added the "h".

ackbar · July 15, 2001

or not

quoudam72 · July 16, 2001

No no it's true I consulted the Oracle the other day the first three minutes are free. Just kidding. BTW the date is 1965 for the publication date of Dune. You know Edric that might have been what happened.

peseverance · July 17, 2001

He saw the parents of Saddam and decided that he would like to honour thier son...???

Note he made him BAD :)

garth · July 17, 2001

Paul Atreides was a hundred times worse than Shaddam IV ever was. He even likened himself to Hitler and Ghenghis Kahn, need I say more?

tobias · July 17, 2001

and Leto II was even worse. he was called the

tyrant by most people.

Edric O · July 17, 2001

"Paul Atreides was a hundred times worse than Shaddam IV ever was. He even likened himself to Hitler and Ghenghis Kahn, need I say more?"

Wow... That's what I always say! You read my mind, Shaddam. Did you eat too much spice lately? :)

quoudam72 · July 17, 2001

Oh please your are killing me Maud'Dib revenges his fathers death by taking control of Arrakis yeah a few Harks get killed, wild Fremen running all over the place, Shaddam IV gets dethroned and Maud'Dib controls the spice. And Leto II your too harsh on him so what if he hoarded a little spice, cuts the Bene Gesserit almost out of the picture and kills a few gholas the Golden Path had to be ensured. Hitler nor Ghenghis Khan were avenging deaths of either of their families maybe when Paul was liking himself to either of these men it was certain aspects and what those were would be is very debatable. I still can't see why Maud'Dib and family are the bad guys.

parzival · July 17, 2001

maybe Frank Herbert used prescience to see the future, lol

ackbar · July 17, 2001

i guess sometimes it becomes necessary to send legions of death out into the universe to kill... well..... EVERYONE DAMNIT!!!!!!!!

exatreide · July 17, 2001

yep that happend alot. alot more often if you get few beers in the guy. aperently hittler and paul were both alcoholics.(get me another beer would you chanie? :-! ) and i think Darth Vader was one two.

peseverance · July 18, 2001

Erm... back to the topic of Shaddam and Saddam......

Edric O · July 18, 2001

Fedaykin, don't you understand that Paul's legions killed BILLIONS of people? If that doesnt make him evil then nothing will! To say that Paul is good would be like saying that Hitler was a kind and gentle leader!

quoudam72 · July 18, 2001

Edric :) I do understand and very well I will add. Taqwa is what the Fremen wanted from the enslavement they had endured. [pre]What is the cost of that longing for that freedom?[/pre] Paul is evil because he waged war against those who ordered/plotted his death with no justisification? Paul Maud'Dib is a character in a book Hitler was a real life monster. How many have the Ordos, Harkonnen, Bene Gesserit, Tleilax killed and need I mention that Shaddam killed his own father to sit on the throne( although that is nothing new with Imperial dogs and the like of them). So see I do understand.:)

garth · July 18, 2001

You're missing the point Fedaykin: he started the whole jihad that killed BILLIONS of innocent people! Keyword innocent!

He didn't wage war against just the people who killed his father and plotted his own death, he was responsible for the women and children that were butchered mercilessly by his legions in the Jihad. Shaddam IV never initiated a Jihad, but he forefathers did with the Sardaukar.

Paul knew what he was doing, knew he could stop it, and didn't. He was evil to the core.

exatreide · July 18, 2001

wene did the sadukar start a jihad? he only killed thsoe who did not bow down to him. if they would have bowed. they would not get killed. he was a genosidil madman yes but a evil genosidil madman no.

quoudam72 · July 19, 2001

(yawn) I wonder how I could have missed that point it's like written in capital letters.Paul Maud'Dib killed billions yeah, yeah whatever:). Maud'Dib was not evil to the core ever heard of Baron Vladimir Harkonnen? I think he should be included as well I should mention the fact that there are not too many characters in these chronicles that are blameless. Well you guys have your thoughts and I have mine. (yawn)

Edric O · July 19, 2001

So you finally admit you're wrong? It's about time! ;)

Like Shaddam said, there's no way you could deny the fact that Paul killed BILLIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE. He could have stopped that genocide, but he didn't.

ackbar · July 19, 2001

at least paul wasnt communist

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