Vanguard3000 Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 It turns out Kelvin was still the way it is today in Dune. In Appendix A, regarding the ecology of Arrakis, it says for thousands of years, the temperature range had been 253 to 33?, which puts it at -20 to ~60 degrees Celcius - a logical range for such a high lattitude. The Appendix never lists them as being in Kelvin specifically, instead saying "253 (absolute)" which would imply reference to absolute zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahdi Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 It turns out Kelvin was still the way it is today in Dune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 I just read that part at work, not two hours before posting my finding. Go to hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exatreide Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 Ladies, Ladies.....Take it to PRP ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driftingcloud Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 Where did this happen? I don't remember it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordmaster_Duncan Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 With the whole Scytale thing (ok i havnt read the later books for a while so i could be COMPLETELY wrong), i assume that the situation is like Hayt and the revived Duncan gholas, the first one was a zunsunnni philospher and mentat, and then became Dancan with his past memeries, but he still retained his mentat and philosopher status too (i think).So i assume Scytale is another ghola (did he have metal eyes? - or did they have organic eyes then?) but this one was trained to have master capabilities - he didn't need to have the physical properties (if the masters were the grey skinned dwarves, i really can't remember too well) - and then the Tleilaxu revived his memories.I'm not sure if Scytale would retain his face dancer abilities though, it would depend on the nature of how they change shape, if it was a ability 'grown' into him, the he might not be a face dancer anymore. If it's a knowledge and abilty to use all your muscles then it might be retained, i'm not sure. - That would be interesting, do the books say if hes a face dancer still?Ahh well, thats how i see it, I expect to be proven wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectral Paladin Posted July 8, 2004 Author Share Posted July 8, 2004 Indeed (for the spoiler). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 That is your assumption? Plus in the end of Chapterhouse when the two Face Dancers talk to each other it is clearly said that their Masters never expected them to become that independent, let alone become a master Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spac Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 As for the thing about Alia and the baron, I always thought that pre-born had the memories of both the male and the female, reverend mothers had access to the female side and the memories passed onto them as well. So that means... Alia has the both, and the memories that were passed on by the fremen reverend mother, that's a hell of alot more people to put up with then, Muad'Dib, Jessica, Leto II or Ghanima. The KH obviously has both male and female, that was the point of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindu Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Scytale: By the time of CHD, the Tleilaxu hold Paul as sacred. It would only make sense that a revived Scytale would be elevated in status for having been in his presence. The way religions work, Scytale may even have been considered special for being personally killed by Muad'Dib! I also get the impression that the differences between the Masters and their "mules" were not so great in Maud'Dib's day. The Face Dancer Scytale seemed to have quite a bit of power and ambition, but over 5,000 years the Master grew to absolute legal and spiritual power in the society. The Face Dancers were bred more and more to be mere fleshly machines. But as I said, this just my impression. (I've the whole series more than ten times, and just re-read HoD and CHD a couple of weeks ago, so it's fresh in my memory.)Alia and her Other Memory: As others have stated here, she, and all of the the pre-born, had memories from both genders in the womb. I see no flaw in her knowing the Baron through her memories.The Kelvin scale: If one of the definitions of temperature is the rate at which molecules and atoms "vibrate," then the point at which there is no moelcular motion whatsoever is the lowest possible temperature. I think Herbert knew damned well that you can't go below Kelvin, and his refenences to negatives in the Kelvin were just whimsy. He did have a pretty wry sense of humor.Birthdates: Typos. There's just too much in even the first novel. And I couldn't give a rip what Brian Herbert has to say about it; he's a done a fine job of mangling his father's universe. Has he ever heard of subtlety or subtext? Or, oh, I don't know...coninuity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja_Sher Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Alia was not the only one who could have memories of both male and female ancestors. Leto II ( or Leto III should I say ) and Ghaninma could do it too. I remember them saying it to Jessicain COD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Yes. Because they were pre-born. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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