Poor Holly

[Dante]

I don't want to treat criminals the way they treat others, I just want money. Which can be achieved by not paying so much tax. Etc.

[erjin999]

And if I lust after money, because of my desire ? I have the right to steal ? Can I claim temperary insanity or somesuch ?

I don't hold with that "God made me evil" kind of argument (I said kind of argument, so please don't say you don't belive in God, I mean it to apply to the argument itself).

If you do it, under influence of drugs, alcohol, or plain lust/desire, its your choice. Even the drugs and alcohol; if you can't handle them, its your fault for taking them.

[GUNWOUNDS]

I like how people are making excuses for this guy....

he basically got horny and raped a kid... the kid probably said she was gonna tell.. so he panicked and killed her so he wouldnt get caught.

[Seal89999]

Its weird but most psycho's are very very intelligent. People think that because you are a criminal you are not intelligent.....quite interesting...

[Acriku]

I like how people are making excuses for this guy....

he basically got horny and raped a kid... the kid probably said she was gonna tell.. so he panicked and killed her so he wouldnt get caught.  Then he realized he couldnt just dump a body.. so he rationally cut her up and disposed of her in a way that took much rational thought.

The guy is not insane is he perfectly rational and knew what he was doing.  You can be sick and rational at the same time.

Nice imagination. What exactly is rational about cutting a child's body into separate pieces and dumping her? I find it a desperate attempt, not including any rationale beyond the fear of getting caught.

[GUNWOUNDS]

Nice imagination. What exactly is rational about cutting a child's body into separate pieces and dumping her? I find it a desperate attempt, not including any rationale beyond the fear of getting caught.

Whoa dude ... listen... he told cops that he knew that he couldnt dump some big body in a garbage can.

he chopped her up into several pieces and put her in several different bags....

one bag he took on a train and dumped in a lake or something.... the other bag he dumped somewhere else... and another bag he put in his garbage and stayed up all night staring at the bag until the trash men came to pick it up.

This guy definately was trying to cover his tracks.

[Acriku]

Heh I didn't realize he went to those lengths. I didn't have time to read the article, so I went off of the first post. I guess he was pretty rational.

[GUNWOUNDS]

Its weird but most psycho's are very very intelligent. People think that because you are a criminal you are not intelligent.....quite interesting...

ya go see that movie called "American Psycho".  brilliant yet disturbing.

[alchemi2]

These Guys always have an excuse. The voices in the head, emotional trauma, etc Just excuses to get away with murder literally and society being civilised falls for it everytime.

These people deserve to lose first their liberty and then their life.

Dustie the attitude of it aint my business, it dont effect me, is typical of people lacking social responsibility and indirectly it will effect you. your parents pay taxes with pay for the trial and imprisonment, expensive phycollogist, lawyers etc so they have less cash to lavish on their son ie you. so obviously based on on selfish reasoning you should be bothered.

[GUNWOUNDS]

your parents pay taxes with pay for the trial and imprisonment, expensive phycollogist, lawyers etc so they have less cash to lavish on their son ie you. so obviously based on on selfish reasoning you should be bothered.

not when mommy and daddy provide for him and sacrifice on themselves so he can have what he wants.

[erjin999]

I like how people are making excuses for this guy....

he basically got horny and raped a kid... the kid probably said she was gonna tell.. so he panicked and killed her so he wouldnt get caught.

[nampigai]

don't kill the man just throw him in a prison and deny isolation, that's way better, he'd be beaten up so badly he wont get out again.

DustScout, I'm curious, would you intefere if you saw a man rape a little girl across the street? or would you just look away and not give a damn?

[lowzeewee]

Locking him in prison for the rest of his life is the best way, killing him will be a little controversial.

Though you have to feed him, you will prevent him from further "contact" with children and he will get beaten up in there.

[Alexander_Ordos]

SLAY THE SICK MANIAC  >:( There's completely NO excure for ... NO! I say.

Btw talking of porno on the internet I believe this guy didn't get to watch it, because if he did that he'd probably know what is it all about  :- The hormones put a shade on his mind, every man is a beast, an animal and when that animal becomes stronger that the homo sapiens side we get that kind of situations. So basicaly he is sick or well animal is in control, but sickness is NOT an excuse. Sick man is a manace, and any manace to human kind must be destroyed. What can be more important than the safety of human species?

[erjin999]

Lol, how immature. You 're gonna kill him and achieve what?

Well, it would save having to pay for his upkeep. Ensure he doesn't reoffend.

Sound like a good idea. Death Row ? Hell with that, within two weeks of conviction (or allowing the man the right of appeal, i.e., however long it take for him to appeal but within reason) have him taken away as a burden on humanity (meaning dead).

Thats what it would achieve.

What would keeping him alive achieve ? And how is that any more mature ?

[Acriku]

You know, I am beginning to realize how barbaric this "kill the murderer!" is becoming. Oh how the tides change in the sea of controversy...

[Andrew]

So a murderer should live a long and healthy life watching cable tv and having acess to many things, while the person he/she murdered has none?

Why should we pay to keep murderers alive and well?

Wow this turned into a PRP subject quite fast. :P

[Dante]

Dustie the attitude of it aint my business, it dont effect me, is typical of people lacking social responsibility and indirectly it will effect you. your parents pay taxes with pay for the trial and imprisonment, expensive phycollogist, lawyers etc so they have less cash to lavish on their son ie you. so obviously based on on selfish reasoning you should be bothered.

It's the crime I'm not bothered about. The punishment costs me, and I care about that. The crime does not, nor does it affect me. So I mind my own business.

not when mommy and daddy provide for him and sacrifice on themselves so he can have what he wants.

[GUNWOUNDS]

for more interesting  discussion on prison and punishment and new forms of punishment check out the PRP forum.. new thread there discussing it.

[nampigai]

Good question. I'm not sure. I dislike confrontations so most likely I'd hang around and attempt to gather support for any action I might take.

but then it might be too late.... you are walking alone on a dark road and hear a girl scream out would you just walk on?

[Dante]

Is it my business to interfere? I hear a scream, so what if it's someone being tickled or playing a game of hide and seek? Best to keep head down and walk on.

[Seal89999]

What if its not and you getting involved will save the girls life.....

[nampigai]

don't play dumb dustscout you know what I mean. But I have to agree with spectral

[Dante]

It's not sad, it's realistic. Why should I risk my skin (who knows, this criminal might be perfectly prepared to murder any witnesses) for someone that I have never met and have no dependancy on? Seriously.

[nampigai]

yes, let's just let the girl be raped and/or killed, if you could do that and live with yourself afterwards I'm ashamed of being the same species as you!

didn't you get enough oxygene doing birth or something? but yea let's not ask what you can do for others but what others can do for you ego tripper.