leo Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 Now Hamas hates US even more, and it's all because of Israel. Just think about it, a lot of Middle east countries and organizations hate US and Britain because of their support of Israel. In my opinion, they should be left alone to deal with their problems and all international support should be ceased immediately. But then again, I always thought Israel was the world's greatest mistake in the first place.The holocaust happened exactly cause of this kind of view.
Dude_Doc Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 Well, that was actually news for me. What I didn't know, though, is that OUR government INVITED this terrorist-leader to our country, for a petty INTERVIEW! Of course our leaders doesn't care for any Jewish people. Artists are allowed to create art, making terrorists heroes, and when a Jewish politician "violates" this "art", they get the blame!You thought Palestine was one of the smallest countries on earth. You were wrong...
Mihail Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 Now Hamas hates US even more, and it's all because of Israel. Just think about it, a lot of Middle east countries and organizations hate US and Britain because of their support of Israel. In my opinion, they should be left alone to deal with their problems and all international support should be ceased immediately. But then again, I always thought Israel was the world's greatest mistake in the first place....:OYou sound alot like Hitler.Not worse, of course,but discriminating anyways...
alchemi2 Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 Creating another Martyr for the cause. great idea that will show them after all everyone want to live and fear of being killed for terrorist activity is bound to stop them.Err no wait i think i got that wrong ;)Isreal should wake and smell the roses only by winning the hearts and minds of the people will there ever be peace.Providing the palistinians with aid, schools homes hospitals would be better than bombs and bullets.Yes kill terrorist caught in the act but dont seek out these people with mortars and bombers killing innocents and bystanders and destroying the infastructure of palestine.Be seen to be the good guysfor once.
VigilVirus Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 The holocaust happened exactly cause of this kind of view.Oh yes! Let's refer everything to holocaust. Does the fact that they suffered make them deserve to take over someone else's country? Israel have not existed for quite a long time before the holocaust and a while afterwards. Israel is a provocation to the Palestinians. It is placed in the worst spot- simply a provocation for conflict. Stupid, stupid idea...Criticizing the idea of Israel makes me like Hitler? I have absolutely nothing against the jewish religion, only against Israel like I've mentioned before. Just because a piece of land was their homeland sometime in the past doesn't give them the right to kick someone off the land now. It's like telling Americans that the native americans will now take over their homes.
nemafakei Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 Hamas is a thoroughly violent organisation (not that there aren't others). But killing an old man (albeit Hamas' founder) who was not exactly in hiding with a missile... I think the Israeli military needs to get a sense of proportionality.Regarding the situation as a whole, we cannot possibly analyse the entire history of it, it's futile. What is in any case more just is to consider the problems of the present, the anticipated problems of the future, and the resources with which the situation can be solved.
emprworm Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 Hamas is a thoroughly violent organisation (not that there aren't others). But killing an old man (albeit Hamas' founder) who was not exactly in hiding with a missile... I think the Israeli military needs to get a sense of proportionality.Regarding the situation as a whole, we cannot possibly analyse the entire history of it, it's futile. What is in any case more just is to consider the problems of the present, the anticipated problems of the future, and the resources with which the situation can be solved.on the rare occasion it happens, i agree with Mr Nema there. it seemed a bit overkill to hit him with a missle. why not just a bullet?
leo Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 Oh yes! Let's refer everything to holocaust. Does the fact that they suffered make them deserve to take over someone else's country? Israel have not existed for quite a long time before the holocaust and a while afterwards. Israel is a provocation to the Palestinians. It is placed in the worst spot- simply a provocation for conflict. Stupid, stupid idea...Criticizing the idea of Israel makes me like Hitler? I have absolutely nothing against the jewish religion, only against Israel like I've mentioned before. Just because a piece of land was their homeland sometime in the past doesn't give them the right to kick someone off the land now. It's like telling Americans that the native americans will now take over their homes.I didn
Caid Ivik Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 Even sovereign Slovakia is a provocation to Hungarians, as well as Poland is for Germans, Croatia for Serbs, Turkey for Greece, or we can say USA is provocation for most people...
Dude_Doc Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 Does the fact that they suffered make them deserve to take over someone else's country? Israel have not existed for quite a long time before the holocaust and a while afterwards.Actually, the Jews have been opressed many times before WW2. They were even opressed by Russia, most European countries during the middle ages, the slavery in Egypt. After all, I think they deserve at least something.
alchemi2 Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 Two wrongs donnt make a right. if concentration camps are wrong there wrong for everyone. Isreals goverment needs to step back from the conflicit and push on to peace.They need to be seen to to take the lead in the process, as stated earlier they need to educate the common man, terror thrives on ignorance and violence, look at the irish conflict, criminals love disorder it allows them to opperate freely. isreal should aid the palestines to police there area by training them to bring law and order, disarming groups and stopping arms flow would work better than killing old men.
VigilVirus Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 The jews were inserted by Britain into the Palestinian territory which was a protectorate of Britain at the time, but it was promised sovereignty. But Britain decided to sort of push them aside to make room for jews. As for persecution, the jews weren't the only ones persecuted. No one deserves special treatment. Not all groups have a homeland either - jews were handed one on a silver platter by Britain, and the best place they could have hoped for. Or so it seemed that it was on a silver platter...As for your question of location - how about somewhere uninhabited? That's how most countries started out. I believe not all of Africa is inhabited - especially not the Sahara desert, not that I'm suggesting that anyone should go there.
GUNWOUNDS Posted March 24, 2004 Author Posted March 24, 2004 on the rare occasion it happens, i agree with Mr Nema there.
GUNWOUNDS Posted March 24, 2004 Author Posted March 24, 2004 why dont they have the guts to do this to Arafat?... they had more than enough chances..
Digital Guerrilla Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 I think maybe because it is easier to assassinate men in wheelchairs than rats who hide among the shadows.
Gobalopper Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 why dont they have the guts to do this to Arafat?... they had more than enough chances..Army Chief: Arafat in Israel Crosshairs
GUNWOUNDS Posted March 24, 2004 Author Posted March 24, 2004 Army Chief: Arafat in Israel CrosshairsUh oh.... guess they do have the guts... hmmm... wondering why they didnt do it when they had him trapped in the compound....
leo Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 The jews were inserted by Britain into the Palestinian territory which was a protectorate of Britain at the time, but it was promised sovereignty. But Britain decided to sort of push them aside to make room for jews. As for persecution, the jews weren't the only ones persecuted. No one deserves special treatment. Not all groups have a homeland either - jews were handed one on a silver platter by Britain, and the best place they could have hoped for. Or so it seemed that it was on a silver platter...As for your question of location - how about somewhere uninhabited? That's how most countries started out. I believe not all of Africa is inhabited - especially not the Sahara desert, not that I'm suggesting that anyone should go there.Your history knowledge seems to lack once again, Jews weren
Dude_Doc Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 Maybe a solution would be to create one state, but with two districts, one Israelian, and one Palestinian? Of course, this wouldn't work very well. The reason Israel got to be where it is today is because the Israelians have history there. It's the only place on earth that has ever been a soverign Israelian/Jewish state (remember the 200 year kingdom, with Solomon or something like that?).Besides, the Islamic holy place is Mecca, not Palestine. Mohammed decided this so long ago. I read here now that a new Hamas leader has been selected: Abd al-Aziz al-Rantissi. That, was the lesson for today.
leo Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 Maybe a solution would be to create one state, but with two districts, one Israelian, and one Palestinian? Of course, this wouldn't work very well. The reason Israel got to be where it is today is because the Israelians have history there. It's the only place on earth that has ever been a soverign Israelian/Jewish state (remember the 200 year kingdom, with Solomon or something like that?).Besides, the Islamic holy place is Mecca, not Palestine. Mohammed decided this so long ago. I read here now that a new Hamas leader has been selected: Abd al-Aziz al-Rantissi. That, was the lesson for today. This kind of a solution was discussed, it seems that having 2 countries is better than 1.
VigilVirus Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 As I said in my previous post the Jews actually deserve it more the Palestinians.Well, I don't think that way - and my view is far more objective than yours.
leo Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 Well, I don't think that way - and my view is far more objective than yours.It's not a matter of objectivity, I gave you simple facts.
Leto le Juste Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 According to me, killing him was not a solution. I mean it would have been better to arrest them. Don't tell me it was not possible.The Mossad is able to arrest him, they were able to kidnapp Eichmann and present him in a trial. So they were able to make it again. It would have been better because it would have prooved that nobody is stronger than the law.
Caid Ivik Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 From prison you can drive an organization. Not saying that his minions would try to protect him, so the losses would be on both sides. Assassination wasn't that easy, there wasn't much time to plan, so they sent a helicopter. And there is no weapon with lesser collateral damage than 70mm rocket. Of course, if they would fire few 30mm bullets directly it would be even less, but cannon which fires 6000 rounds per minute can fire only more, with less accuracy as well...
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