Disturbing

[thomas]

by

Ernesto Cienfuegos

La Voz de Aztlan

Los Angeles, Alta California - November 14, 2003 - (ACN) The Jewish Journal of Greater Los Angeles made a startling revelation today when writer Phil Shuman wrote, "Only some 3,000 out of 1.4 million active duty servicemen and women are Jewish, about two-tenths of one percent. When it comes to Marines, the numbers are even more startling. It’s one out of 1,000. One-tenth of one percent."

What we need to know now are what percentages of these minuscule amounts are actually fighting in the front lines in Iraq, after all, the military assault on this Islamic country is in large part due to the "machinations " of the influential "Zionist Cabal" operating within the Pentagon and at high levels of the Bush Administration. This makes the statements of Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad of Malaysia at the 10th Session of the Organization of the Islamic Conference disturbingly true. The Malaysian prime minister said that "Jews rule the world by proxy" and that "They get others to fight and die for them." Here in Alta California both U.S. Senators are Jewesses yet we have not heard of one Jewish soldier from Alta California dying in the deserts of Iraq.

In comparison, approximately 40% of the US Marines are now of Mexican descent. This is 400 times the number of Jews in the US Marine Corps and most of these Mexican-Americans are non-officer front line "grunts". The 40% approximation of the percentage of Marines of Mexican descent has been hotly debated. The mainstream media argues that it is only about 19% but their figures are obtained from the Pentagon. The Pentagon is notorious for lying about the ethnic background of their soldiers, for obvious reasons. There is an urgent need for an independent and accurate "census" count of all personnel in the US Armed Forces broken down by race, ethnicity, gender, religion, rank, economic status, and military assignments to assure that the military burden does not fall exclusively on the shoulders of Latinos, Blacks, American Indians and economically poor Whites.

The Nassiriya ambush in Iraq where Pfc Jessica Lynch was taken prisoner is a perfect example of who is suffering the casualties in Iraq and elsewhere around the world. All of the eleven US soldiers that were captured or killed in Nassiriya where from economically disadvantaged homes who joined the army to escape poverty. One was a Mexican-American, one a Filipino-American, one female who was killed was a Navajo/Mexican-American, and one who suffered major injuries to her ankles was a female Afro-American. Pfc Jessica Lynch was a poor White teenager from the economically devastated area called "the hollers" of West Virginia.

There is no question that the war against Iraq is being waged, in large measure, at the prompting of Zionist Israel and US Jewry. The other reason is that Bush Jr. and his cronies want to rob the Iraqi people of their oil riches. There is also no question that US Jews are more loyal to Zionist Israel than to the USA. Most hold dual citizenship in Israel and in the USA. They reside here and in many other countries simply to manipulate the countries for their own benefit. They will manipulate the US government to wage war against their enemies and utilize the country's "people of color" and economically poor Whites to die for them in the front lines.

[Mahdi]

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[Scrinlord]

OMG, this kind of stuff just pisses me off, and it is all so blatently propaganda, how do people actually buy this kind of shit?

[Andrew]

Has anyone ever read Why jews don't drive fords?

It has a lot of propaganda also.

Heres an article that may touch on it.(doubt it)

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/11/21/suvs/

[Scrinlord]

AHHHHHHHHH, the propaganda is just so damn annoying, make it stop!!!!!!!!!!

[Andrew]

Guess I in no way shape or form should post any excerpts from the "book" I mentioned. :)

although maybe... not. ;)

[Edric O]

I'd call that article disgusting filth, but that would be an understatement...

[SurlyPIG]

It would also be incredibly offensive to disgusting filth.

[Scrinlord]

lol, yes it would be

[ordos45]

Hmm, West Virginia is actually the 48th poorest state. We still beat Arkansas and (it was either Mississippi or Louisiana). Although yeah, Lynch's county is one of the poorest. (Sorry my northern part of the state bias is probably playing in here...I live in the part where we sound more from Pennsylvania than the Deep South.)

But yeah, usually the Army is a good way to get an eductation if you're poorer. Otherwise, propaganda piece. I also notice its from the notoriously biased and Anti-Semetic and Anti-U.S. Aztlan.net

[thomas]

i went to an old prp thread that linked to this wreched site, and found this disgusting article. Don't this f**king idiots realize that their are only 14 million jews in the US and about 20 million world wide? 14 million is only about 7% of the US's population so it's reason able that only a few are in the armed sevices oh and latinos, african-americans, and caucasions (hate it when they refer to others in the politically correct sense but refer to europeans as the derogitory term 'white') make up a large percent of the US's population and nearly all of those in the lower class of america.

excuse me now I have to go call the plumber, my toilet is now over-flowing with vomit. :-[ :P >:( >:( >:( >:(

[NeoLogiX]

"Jews rule the world by proxy" and that "They get others to fight and die for them."

- Mahathir Mohamed, Malaysia Ex Prime Minister

Is it fiction ?

...or might forget what Lincoln, Franklin, Martin Luther & Hitler state on Jews

::)

[Edric O]

Right... and being put in the same category as Hitler is supposed to increase your credibility? ::)

[Mahdi]

Yup, the whole world is under the control of a big Jewish conspiracy, and you can tell it's a clever one, because they've made the world turn them into histories most persecuted people and made themselves victims of attempted genocide hundreds and thousands of times in order to make people think they are not the ones in control....

If you're being brutally slaughtered, no one will ever suspect you're the one behind it! It all makes perfect sense!

[thomas]

*I tak eit you're beign sarcastic?*

[Egeides]

What worries me as much is to see people, here and elsewhere, taking their own conclusions based not on the arguments of someone but on his conclusion. How many here were already able to make a demonstration that all this stuff is false? I'm allergic to sophisms (when I see them), and it does go to this extent.

I have a book in my possession that shows how the revisionists theories are false. THIS seems as arguments to me. So, who would be for a anti-"jewish conspiracy" arguing party? We could make a serious search of information and try to be able to bombard the next nazi that would enter here (instead of just saying: "You're wrong because you're ugly!").

Anyone? I'm perfectly serious. I'm talking of unbuilding all this hogwash, argument by argument.

[thomas]

lets start with paragraph 1:

Los Angeles, Alta California - November 14, 2003 - (ACN) The Jewish Journal of Greater Los Angeles made a startling revelation today when writer Phil Shuman wrote, "Only some 3,000 out of 1.4 million active duty servicemen and women are Jewish, about two-tenths of one percent. When it comes to Marines, the numbers are even more startling. It’s one out of 1,000. One-tenth of one percent."

there are actually 5.8 million jews in the US (sorry for earlier typo) and the US population right now is about 290 million. 5.8/290 = .02% of the population of the US is Jewish .001% of the military in the US is jewish. a mere *% of the military is latino ( ::) sure a strong percent there ::) ) .08/1.2 = 60,000, so 60,000 of the US military is Latino,

[Egeides]

I think that Jews are more educated on average, maybe because of the support they get from their social group that's encouraging studying and encouraging its members in life in general. A bit like the Chinese communities that form a Chinatown and help each other out. Thus, it is normal to have less Jews for the same proportion that get in the military. And about having more poor people in the military, this isn't any minority's fault, it's true everywhere on this planet.

Also, to say "this group" is bad is a generalization that was shown to come from the tension that was brang instead of the people themselves, many times in history. I would expect that it would be the case again, now that USA is in its present position. But I do know that, and not only expect, that a human is not bad by default so any generalization gets completely out of context ("he's bad, he took my job" -> he didn't had a job in his country, so he did what you'd yourself do). All groups of people have their nice and not so nice elements. And until shown by genomics, humans are humans. Culture? Well a culture is like a person, with many aspects, never everything good or bad, neither any point being entirely bad or good. This is the case simply because it is formed by good and not so good people.

About any conspiracy to take power and more influence, I do not have any of the sources used to show this here. All I can say is that lobbies/influence groups are from all cultures/groups/sources, and are hardly accepted by any community as a whole, neither are they surprising (this is how it works in USA: you are supposed to use lobbies if you want to make your point, with good and bad consequences). Now, I don't have a clue about what are the powerful American lobbies, Jewish, Mormon, Scientologist, or else.

Now I guess I went into this a bit, even if pretty lightly and very imprefectly.

[Sneakgab]

Not many people waste their time and effort pointing out the errors in such nonsense (Especially people who have to worry about absurd phone/internet time prices such as myself)...

I commend you for taking such time and effort...

[Egeides]

I think that it never hurts if the exercise brings to know a bit more about critic thinking. At least, smething like that needs to be done somehow, just to know how it can go weird and wrong. Only expecting it to be wrong is not always enough, espescially if you ever debate with someone having such ideas.

[thomas]

I have DSL and it's per month.

[Sneakgab]

56k here....

True Egeides, though I did consider the post without just dismissing. Even Edrico says that communism could only come about with good propogandists on the commie side.

Thusly, we would just ignore communism and Edrico's so far atleast reasonable arguements because of a propoganda front if communism did ever somehow have a chance of coming to power.

When you're in a political position, it matters not wether you are right or not and can prove you'reself right in a debate, as you have to convince the stupid masses who cannot see past opposing propoganda and/or silly, psuedo,e.t.c logic and thus are forced to use propoganda you'reself...

You never know, maybe their IS a jewish conspiracy... (although the small likelhood of that and the fact that the post is anti-semitic is what makes this variety of propoganda (r@p

[TMA_1]

its more disturbing and scary that this thread has been made. During the times when the tzars were nearing their ends, a book was written, a hoax that made it look like there was a jewish councel discussing on taking over the world. It was written in a way that seemed academic, and people were foolish enough to take it at face value. Oh, it wasent harmless, just propoganda.

well why dont you tell that to all the jews that died in world war II and beyond, because that book was and is still one of the key driving forces for anti semites, and even though it had been proven a hoax by the time of hitler and his rule in germany, he still used it and tried to put it in every german home.

just a little propoganda can create large amounts of hate. seeds of evil grow and structure themselves, whoever wrote this is messed up.

[Egeides]

I find it silly that the word propaganda is generally used for everything people fiercly disagree on. Yet, when you ask them to define it, it could also be applied on about everyone's ideas, depending on who's the critique.

It is a matter of facts that we are in a time where anti-whatteverism is going up and to hide it wont make it less important. The only way to do something is to be ready to counter instead of just letting it wander. I think that what is not rational has alot more chances to grow in a closed environment than in an open environment. Just look at sects.

[TMA_1]

This wasent a matter of disagreement egeides, people wrote this anti semetic stuff in order to paint the jews in a negative light. The tzars were facing extinction, and the left wing revolutionaries were growing in popularity. They used the anti semetic liturature to call all left wing revolutionaries "jews" or "jewish sympothizers". That is propaganda.