Fundamental Issues that *Must* Be Patched In E:BFD

[Navaros]

Gob,

Can you please please *please* do everything necessary to convince Westwood to patch Emperor one more time.  

A new patch would not be *nice*.

A new patch is *fundamentally necessary*.

Most of the Quickmatches that I have lost this month are due to one and only one reason:  bugs in the game.

More specifically, harvesting bugs.

Refinery Waypoints was supposed to be a feature of the 1.09 patch.   Refinery Waypoints do not work.  The function might as well not even be listed, because setting a Refinery Waypoint does absolutely nothing.  Harvesters will go wherever they want due to bugs in the game.

It is not right that me and everyone else should lose games simply because the bugs in the programming code were never corrected.

Westwood/Intelligent Games promised Emperor customers a Refinery Waypoint function.  That function has not been implemented.  

These bugs are making Emperor unplayable.  I don't mind losing to a better player than myself who wins based on having more skill - but there is nothing more annoying in the world than when I am forced to take a loss only due to the fact that my harvesters are harvesting in the wrong spice field despite that fact that I did everything possible to ensure they would not.

I am tempted to stop playing Emperor altogether due to this harvesting bug issue.   Atreides are at a *huge* disadvantage by default because Atreides have no units that are as fast as the light units of the other Houses yet still powerful enough to go toe-to-toe with them.

Resulting in any Atreides player who does not happen to have his Minos in the right place at the right time losing for certain against any good player on most maps.  There is no way to use SubHouses to compensate for this bug, either.   There is *no* workaround.

As it now stands, Emperor is unplayable because of the harvesting bugs and that's a great tragedy.  I am sure it would be no more than a few hours of work for Intelligent Games to make the Refinery Waypoints function work, and if they did Emperor would be

100 000 000  times more fair and enjoyable.

There are many other bugs that need attention too, such as no Attack-Formation-Move and units taking the worst possible path to their destination and thereby commiting suicide and/or preventing you from fending off attacks that you *should* have been able to.

The other bugs can be lived with.  The harvesting bugs can not.

There must be a way to have Westwood get the harvesting bugs and Refinery Waypoint bugs patched.    Please, help make it happen.

[sneezer3]

The other bugs can be lived with.

[Gobalopper]

Ok I've said this before and I will say it again.

Westwood is not going to patch Emperor.

[Navaros]

Ok I've said this before and I will say it again.

Westwood is not going to patch Emperor.

Not with that kind of attitude.  They need to be given a *reason* to patch Emperor.  Right now they have no reason because the idiotic masses will go on buying whatever crap they release despite the fact that everyone knows Westwood will abandon any new game they release within 6 months.  

I suggest we protest, or make a petition, or picket outside the Westwood offices, or *something* to convince them to patch Emperor.

[Vladimir_Harkonnen]

Give up dude, you ain't gonna win! ::)

[Gobalopper]

Nav if it just took a couple more hours to fix then it would have been fixed in the 1.09 patch. It's too late now and Emperor doesn't have enough people playing it to make Westwood listen.

[ace1gold]

lol gob deleting our posts was a bit over the top we only called him a "buffon", btw nav remeber when u flamed me on my 1st day of emp in the lobby, oh ace is a newb blah blah well whose rank 1 now  ::) :O

[Gobalopper]

ace I just don't want to see this turn into a bash Nav because he posted thread.

[ace1gold]

fair enough but i started playing emperor a month ago, nav comes into mine and ijws 2 vs 2 clan channel, he starts slagging me off saying ace is a newb why u playign with him blah blah which was totally unjustified and then had cheek to ask ijw to train him, well whose laughing now nav u want a qm? haha !$%&, sorry gob jst wanted u to know this, i dont hate him because he talks dung i do have my reasons but on with the post ur right, no ww wont patch y r or any games before it, renegade has got little time left as well, next game = earth and beyond, u guys dont know how lucky u are with emp, me maxpovver and ijw have had experience of playing ts the daddy of all games for years and watching that great game die to soo many cheta si cant even list them, now the ladders dont even work its a joke hence why i turned to other games and emperor, trust me guys atleast be pleased that emperor is faily cheat free for us ts oldschool it was 5 times as bad and im not joking

[ace1gold]

nav im gonna trying my best to be kind here, but u say game is unplayable well that is a total joke, u arent losing games because of this bug u r losing games because arent good enough, how max and atrofrce with get rank 1 with atr explain that, u seem to be forgetting that its the same for every1, althought i have never played agaisnt u it souds like ur problem is defneding ur harvs ...................

[Navaros]

nav im gonna trying my best to be kind here, but u say game is unplayable well that is a total joke, u arent losing games because of this bug u r losing games because arent good enough, how max and atrofrce with get rank 1 with atr explain that, u seem to be forgetting that its the same for every1, althought i have never played agaisnt u it souds like ur problem is defneding ur harvs ...................

What you said here is pure nonsense and ANY good player will tell you so.   You play as Hark so maybe that is why you do not understand.  I KNOW how to defend my harvesters.

However, when harvesters split into groups harvesting in two or three different spice fields, to defend them against a good Hark or Ordos player is next to impossible.   Do you think I should be losing games in which I have 100 - 150 more kills then my opponent?  

Who do you think knows the game better?  

If I can't defend my harvesters and lose to people with little skill, it is because of harvester bugs.  There is no way to reasonably defend against this as Atreides (move your Minos to one spice field, he'll attack the spice you just left, or vice versa, rinse, soak, repeat) and if you think there is then you are very ignorant about the nuances of Emperor gameplay.

[Frodo_I]

First i wanna say that YES Nav your loosing cause you can't defend your harvestors.  If your harvestors are harvesting in two or three places then defend two or three places.  If you don't like defending two or three places then attack the other guy first.  IF you can't attack first cause you think atreites is too slow then switch houses.  IF you don't want to switch to another house then learn to play certain subhouses that are fast to react like freemen or sarduakar.  THATS how other players have done it, why can't you do that too??

Secondly, although the harvestors won't waypoint THEY will send to certain spice fields depending on where you place the refinery.  For instance, if i'm playing on broken plains, and i'm on the top middle, and i know there's someone on the top right, i'm NOT going to put any refinery on the right side of my base.  This is because the harvestors are gonna go to the other guys spice field and i can't protect them there.  So i place my refinerys on the left, or in the top middle

If you say that you can't do that cause your in a hurry in qm then its AGAIN cause your not experienced enough to know which maps are which before your refinery is built

IF you stop bitching and start thinking it's amazing what you can accomplish :)

[Navaros]

Frodo, what you just said is also sheer nonsense:

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[ken124578]

this topic is 100% proof that navarosx is a turtle, there.

[Frodo_I]

Since you bring up aged desert let me explain by example

I was playing a ffa with two other people on aged desert.

[Anathema]

First of all, don't you think such a topic belongs in the technical boards? (well it should but now it is starting to become a flamewar rather then tech topic).

Second, everybody could have told you that WW is too cheap to make another patch!

[Frodo_I]

why is it becoming a flame war?? i didn't flame anyone, i don't think Nav did either?? Ken called him a turtle, i think thats just meaning Nav likes to camp at his base like a turtle pulls up into his shell, still not flaming

[ace1gold]

Nav there are 2 words to describe you, "bad looser", u say u know game better than me well if im rank 1 and your 20 odd then somethings going wrong isnt it

[Navaros]

The statement that you always have enough space to put your Refinery down closest to the spice field you want is simply not true.

Mongooses won't do anything against a balanced Hark or Ordos attack force.

[Frodo_I]

Mongooses won't do anything against a balanced Hark or Ordos attack force.

[Navaros]

Scouts are irrelevant.  Scouts will get bumped into and die, no matter HOW many scouts you have all over the map at the start.  Fog of War will come back, and you can't see jack.  Replacing scouts in late game is impossible against any good Hark or Ordos  player.   That's a sad fact of Emperor.    

If you are playing with someone who does not happen to kill most of your scouts through the normal course of gameplay, that person sucks anyways so none of this would be an issue in those games.

On many maps you have NO CHOICE about where some of your Refineries need to go due to space restrictions.  Unless you wanna sell the windtraps that you start with and undeploy your conyard right away.  I am sure you'd think *that* is a brilliant strategy.

And yes, doubleclicking your harvesting only saves them for one fillup, which is ultimately irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, because due to bugs in the game that were never corrected, they are still gonna die.  Doubleclicking another spice field is just prolonging their inevitable suicide.

[leech13]

Nav...

I got this game 2 weeks ago and im going to tell you a tiny little secret ok  :)

First you build maybe 10 harvesters with carryalls to match.  Then whenever you hear "harvester under attack" You get a couple of adv carryalls preloaded with a repair vehical and x number of minos and dropthem right next to the attack.  If the harvester is dead before you get there its no big deal you buy another harvester.

I am very sorry if I am insulting you in any way by telling you that i am a newbie, so please forgive any embarrasment i might have caused you

have a nice day

[leech13]

ps

to the left is an example of the adv carryall in case you have trouble finding it in the VE-HIC-CALS page:)

By the way ace

we dont need to hear you gloating about you being number one

like i said i am new so i dont know if there is something i should know about but it doesnt matter anyway

[Navaros]

Nav...

I got this game 2 weeks ago and im going to tell you a tiny little secret ok

[ace1gold]

nav please leave it alone no1 cares and ur just making more peaople dislike u by giving them a headache, ur jst crap im sorry but it has to be said stop talking and start playing