Nyarlathotep Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 You too at mine. At such age I would expect from you more rational communication with others. More nefesh and less conceit. As we all are part of Dune2k.com, we all don't know why some group inside starts to hate one of them. Same with Navaros, he was showing rather different rhetorics, so we've banned him. That's not solving problems. If you think there is some, then say it loudly, let we together can find a solution.Again, it doesn't concern you. This whole thing isn't involving any of you. And my age has absolutely nothing to do with this. The only step I took was asking TMA and Ex a question. It's up to them if they want to clear this or not. If you'd act up to be the maturity you make us believe you are, you'd respect what I asked previously.
Apollyon Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 Whether it concerns us or not is not your decision to make.
number6 Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 You too at mine. At such age I would expect from you more rational communication with others. More nefesh and less conceit. As we all are part of Dune2k.com, we all don't know why some group inside starts to hate one of them. Same with Navaros, he was showing rather different rhetorics, so we've banned him. That's not solving problems. If you think there is some, then say it loudly, let we together can find a solution.I love it how some of the younger members, in age, want to be treated equally except when it comes to issues they are not happy about. I notice that a very vocal minority are complaining in here. They are resorting to calling the Landsraad members dictators. Yes, we dictate our own destiny in a democractic fashion. So in a way we are dictators. Deal with that. Like so many here have said this is the internet and you are taking this far too seriously. None of you in this thread complaining are Landsraad members so you have no say in the matter. This matter is becoming childish because ExAtreides can't deal with not being in Landsraad anymore. We voted and it's over. End of discussion as far as Landsraad is concerned unless another Landsraad member wants to add anything.
gryphon Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 A little of topic although onmy mind for the last couple of hours. Just a general question to all "regular" members here. What is it you think we have power over in The Landsraad ?We don't controle the forums upgrades, we havn't got any counting vote to bann members or deny them membership to the forum. We havn't got the abilety to close topics nor to close down anything that doesn't go on in The Landsraad itself. We havn't got a large amount of cash stacked away, nor have we got anything that is your, have been yours or will ever be yours. Besides that, we inflict no controle over Fed2K. Never has anything been forced upon the members because of a direct vote of the Landsraad nor any commands from the Landsraad that have translated into actions by Gobalopper on this forum.Any claim of us being unfair, unjustified or whatever are strickly based upon nothing, or towards actions of our own members mentioning their own opinion in the forums.If I am wrong, please show me the extra set of buttons I get when I log into here that allow me to use my Landsraad powers.. . . Give me an situation in which a members has been banned from the forum becasue he had a negative advice from the Landsraad which gave him that bann.Members of The Landsraad have been, and likely will be close friend. So that's why we stick to eachother in topics, why we have the same interpretation in some situation. But most of all, members of The Landsraad have been older members here. Just talking amongst themselfs.And somehow, somewhere along the way, some one has though people talking amongst themself. . about which programms they watch on the telly, what their real name is. And what they did this day of their doring little life is a thread to them .. is manipulative and power obsessed.
Apollyon Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 We don't think you're special at all. It is the Landsraad themselves (yourself excluded it appears) that think they our somehow special. The mere existence of a pointless club which is as such exclusive shows this, as does the phrase "It only concerns the Landsraad"."But most of all, members of The Landsraad have been older members here"No that's not true at all in any seeable way. The Landsraad are members that happen to like eachother and vote eachother into their secret club.
number6 Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 And apparently you are mad because you are not a member? It sounds like a case of sour grapes to me. We don't think we are important. You seem to think that we think that. It is our private club and we vote people in that we like. Like gryphon said we discuss things amongst friends. You Apollyon are an even bigger hypocrite than anyone I know. You are a member of the "Editing Team". You don't see me complaining I am not a member there. I don't care what you discuss in your private forum so why do you care what we discuss?
Apollyon Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 And apparently you are mad because you are not a member? It sounds like a case of sour grapes to me. Yes, that's right. I think you're an inconsequential and pointless club which means I *must* want to be in it.It is our private club and we vote people in that we like. Like gryphon said we discuss things amongst friends. That's all I wanted to hear.You Apollyon are an even bigger hypocrite than anyone I know. Good job with the personal flaming. I really respect you now. Plus I don't think you realise I have absolutely "no beef" (to use a nav phrase) with anyone in the landsraad, quite the opposite I have a good few friends in the landsraad. I am merely trying to dispell any illusion that being in the landsraad means anything more than being a member liked by the existing landsraad members.You are a member of the "Editing Team". You don't see me complaining I am not a member there. I don't care what you discuss in your private forum so why do you care what we discuss?Touch
gryphon Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 The Landsraad has started as a group of older members. It has been only after a while that we have started to let people in by means of voting. Before that it was Gobalopper's desission. So making that in a way more open club as we can deside ourslef who get's in. It a power The Landsraad didn't have and recieved after a while.Hope that explains that a little. :)As a group of people who trust one other with private things, we post those things freely in our forum. If at some way posts of that forum are showing up on other places besides that forum people start asking questions. And questions take require more questions. People got upset, inside The Landsraad and outside it. To restore confidence amoung that group, actions have been taken to get that trust back. And again, one of those things have been the removal of Ex's Landsraad status. Just one.Most members here appear to want to have an explenation for that, caring about Ex. Which is ofcourse a good thing for a community. Although we as a body, The Landsraad have wounds ourself that need to heal. That has to be done first. And mayby you are correct in saying it only conserns the Landraad has been a wrong phrase. But then, Ex is not the only one hurt in this situation. People in The Landsraad have been to. And as such the Landsraad as a whole. But that is our problem and ours alone. And we have taking actions accordingly. Actions which do not need justification by any other member here.And although in this case there has been a reason, that is not even needed. As pointed out. Anyone can be voted out of The Landsraad, even without a sensable reason. Just get a 50%+1 vote to get you out. We all know that and accept that. If we then don't want to explain why we have voted, a strom has been inleased upon us of judging our desission. Every one in the Landsraad including me knows that when recieving a 50%+1 vote he is out, no matter what he did or didn't do wrong. We all accept it, apperently the members who are not a part of The Landsraad do not.. . .Mayby that is why they arn't in it. . . because they don't accept one of the rule we have in there. . . .And at that point, I would like to quite TMA. . .with our Mickey mouse club .. why would you all care about our little club and our problems ?
quoudam72 Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 The Landsraad are members that happen to like eachother and vote eachother into their secret club.That could not be further from the truth I dislike Mahdi he always gets the best exotic hats from Gob's private selection not to mention he drinks all the beer damn glutton. Seriously some of you are full of elephant dung. You really need to grow up and stop listening to a pint-sized runt and think for yourself. WHO CARES THAT EX WAS VOTED OUT OF THE LANDSRAAD it is not the end of the world.
Cyborg Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 Remember, you have all the right to avoid replying in this thread, so instead of flaming back and forth, please just ignore it...When you say that this does not concern the normal members, why do you reply to their posts, then?
Apollyon Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 That could not be further from the truth I dislike Mahdi he always gets the best exotic hats from Gob's private selection not to mention he drinks all the beer damn glutton. Lol."You really need to grow up and stop listening to a pint-sized runt and think for yourself. WHO CARES THAT EX WAS VOTED OUT OF THE LANDSRAAD it is not the end of the world. "Agreed, but you must accept that through your actions you've hurt Ex. It is only natural that we will demand an answer for it. And I'm sure you can understand that we are going to be annoyed by people telling us it's none of out business as if they're more important than us and we don't deserve to know.
number6 Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 Well I would just add that people that are voted into Landsraad are special because a majority of respected members here have voted that person in. It takes more than me liking Inoculator9 to get him into Landsraad. Like Gryphon said there are senior members in Landsraad that carry more weight than junior Landsraad members like myself. If they don't agree with a nomination that person most likely is not going to get enough votes. A lot of times a member is nominated and only gets the vote of the person who nominated him/her. So to get into Landsraad it takes some combination of contributing to the forum in some way, being well behaved on the forums, frequency of participation and time on the forums. Luck is also a criteria as well. So I would not look at it like Landsraad is a friends only club. There are Landsraad members here that I hardly chat with. I am pretty good friends with most of the active members of Landsraad.
gryphon Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 Apollyon, same as Ex has been hurt, we also have been recently. And we, or I am replying to this just to keep a diolog open and offering a slight explenation between what is possible in my situation about our position. We don't have to. . . but then, . . you don't have to be critesising all of our actions openly. . .demanding answers .. .Again, it's a 2 way situation .. .only at this point Ex's position has been addressed, or used to start this thing. Many members, many great members Landsraad and non-Landsraad have acted here, and acted out of emotion. Ex is still part of the community, why can't we all just get over this ?
Apollyon Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 I concurr with you, Gryphon."people that are voted into Landsraad are special"That really was all I wanted to hear.
Dunenewt Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 Being in the Landsraad is just a title you receive for getting a lot of posts and getting people who are also on the Landsraad to like you its as simple as that. Take Earthnuker for example, I have nothing against him but in all honesty he has not really contributed much towards this site and infact Nav has probably contributed more to it. Yet Earthnuker is in the Landsraad because people like himHowever I don't think being in the Landsraad is anything special. All they get is an extra board which only has one thread on, they have no power. Why not set up our own group (of course we can't have our own board unless Gob agrees) called something else (CHOAM maybe) and have another group of people - they would have just as much power. The Landsraad used to be an honour but now too many people use it as excuse to start an arguement.Note:What I have said is generalising, it doesn't apply to everyone.
gryphon Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 just a small comment nEwT, when I got in The Landsraad I wasn't really a member here for all that long, and my post count was 400 [ although a while back that amount was way less then any other member in there besides Davo ;) ] or something like that. Even now I don't post all that much outside of Techsupport. Used to be a lot more. :)Think at that time I was one of the youngest members and with the fewest posts to get that title. ... :)
Apollyon Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 Which kind of proves that the landsraad isn't a group of elder members which it claims to be.
TMA_1 Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 dont mess with earthnuker newt, he is a cool guy and a good friend of mine. he has been around for awhile and deserves his position.Some people, not all people in landsraad are hard of heart. They will not change, so there is no need to argue with them. SOme voted from their honest opinion and that is totally up to them and I have no problem with that. I have a problem though with people who defend landsraad so zealously that it begs the question, why do you do so? You accuse me and ex based on assumption, and then you make your own club even more questionable by how you so oddly defend it. nyar, you have done this before, last time it was for a good purpose. Nav and empr posted about landsraad simply to cause strife, but this is a mattre now of me and ex defending ourselves. We shoudlnt have to do this, and if it was just as cut and dry as you guys say it is, you would stop all of this meaningless dribble. I have fallen out of trust with a few people here, who have backstabbed me. They then say I did so to them, but how did I? I just accused you guys of something I have accused people of for a long time. I bullshitted what I said and you guys dont believe that. that is fine with me, but not with ex. So I stand by ex no matter what you guys say to me. a few people from landsraad have gone out of their way to belittle my plight. They have called me petty, childish, small, things of that nature. others have called my posts that, which is calling me what they called the posts. I have not done that to you guys, only told you to leave me and ex alone. Ex does not deserve it, and I was blackmailed in this. You told me that even if ex is innocent that it is my fault. that is a conspiracy in textbook form. It is extremely, extremely suspect. Why dont you guys look at yourselves, why dont you listen like others in landsraad have like gryphon? he doesnt agree with me, but he has listened and given me respect. why dont you others do the same instead of being insensitive and selfish, trying to defend yourselves when you are on theoffensive.
gryphon Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 Euh, sorry but at that time I have been the only "young" guy in there. Respected every one in there. . well almost. . ;) The group it was formed of back then was appart from me based of "older" members. Sorry for not being able to make a clear point on that as my Englisch can be quit dualistic at some points. It started as such, olthough not impossible for a younger member to get in.After we started voting older and younger members have been getting in. Keeping a majority of older members, although when you look at the members getting access to it a lot of newer members have been getting in. Make me think, I don't even know if the Doc was in it at that time. . .though he recieved the Tiltle a little while after I did ???
Dunenewt Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 dont mess with earthnuker newt, he is a cool guy and a good friend of mine. he has been around for awhile and deserves his position.Are you threatening me?"Harassing, threatening, intimidating, or discriminating remarks toward other members will not be tolerated."What has Earthnuker done apart from being friends with influential people ?
TMA_1 Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 that wasent a threat, I just like a friend being demeaned. keep this level guys.
TMA_1 Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 okay sorry man, I didnt mean it like that, dont want any confrontations, shouldnt have put it like that. :) lets not get this thread blocked though.
Nyarlathotep Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 Alright, you'll have asked for this. This is the story and reason why this discussion has been going on. I've given TMA the chance to proof the innocence of Ex, which he can't, so here goes (without going in to much detail):At one point, Number6 said something in the Landsraad, which was a post of several lines.After Number6 had posted that in the Landsraad, TMA told him in the exact same words (several lines) what Number6 had posted in the Landsraad forum. If it would have been one word, I would have bought his "guessing". Now we had a situation where someone had given TMA info about what was said in the Landsraad.As you all know, today I sent TMA and Ex an IM and simply asked TMA to provide the name of the person who gave him that info. He insists on the fact that he had guessed what number6 had said in the Landsraad forum. Remember, multiple lines, word for word. You tell me, he's either a miracle, or Ex truely gave him the info. I don't believe in miracles.I gave TMA a second chance to proof his "friends" innocence and all I received back was "fuck off" (his way of telling leave me alone) and stop harrassing me.I asked TMA several times how he was able to tell multiple lines from 6' post, word for word. He dogged every one of those questions.I have backed up the whole convo, so everything I said I can proof.If Ex was really innocent, his "friend" would have told the name of the person who told him that. You people think what you want to think, but for me it's as clear as it can be.
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