The War On Islam

[ordos45]

I watched one of the idiot Bushy's live speeches yesterday. Allow me to quote him...

"They hate Christians, and Jews, and all Muslims that don't share their views."

With this statement, he admits it is a war against Islam, not Terror.

[Gobalopper]

You just realized this now? What other group, other then Islamic Extremists, are actively promoting terrorism? Other then maybe Chechens but that is more Russia's problem then the US.

[Dunenewt]

Chechens are Islamic Extremists too

[thomas]

yep

[ordos45]

I've realized it for quite a while Gob, but he's never gone out and said it before.

[Gobalopper]

I'm pretty sure he has and in more direct terms then that.

[ordos45]

Oh okay, first time I caught him saying it. You notice the US media isn't highlighting that part of that speech however?

[Gobalopper]

I don't know, I'm not in the US. :)

[SurlyPIG]

Uhhh...didn't you notice that he said the terrorists hate all Muslims who don't share their views too?

[Egeides]

For soem reason, I never heard him mentioning that most muslims, pro-democracy ones included, were against his actions.

[TMA_1]

what I dont understand is how people are so quick to protect islam, while thousands of christians and jews die in the middle east and africa. There is a great hyporicy in america and all of the people in power are at fault to not see this. We shouldnt even be fighting a "war on terror" since it isnt any real entity. I sure havent heard of the nation terror, or the man named terror. Sure there are groups of terrorists, but they are so sparsed out throughout the middle east and beyond, that we could never wage war on them. The "war on terror" was just emotional retaliation because of 9/11. Nice job bushy.

[Acriku]

If we were to judge Islam by the fundamentalists of it, Christianity would not be looking very good right now.

[TMA_1]

our fundimentalists throw insults at people. occasionally a nut case, in which one or two people die a year. whcih is added to those who are equally insane and will be dealt with.

fundimentalist islamics generally in mass can be very violent. Churches are sacked in africa. little girls are raped to death, mass murders of those who openly admit to being christians. These christians still go to church anyway, most dont have a church to go ot so they have it in the ruins that was once their worshipping place. The plight of african christians is much louder than that the albanians had, or those in afghanistan or many other places. It is funny because the religion that holds most martyrs is christianity. The greatest amount of martyrs within a denomination goes to the catholics. A sect of them that hold some 90 percent of those deaths, The Society of Jesus.

[Atomic Mitten]

Religion has caused more deaths/wars and human suffering than even Politics has.

The terrorists by the way are not just operating in the middle east and beyond, terrorist cells have been discovered in England/Holland /Germany/Russia/France/Spain the list is endless.

Up until now I have found that the Germans report on world events with the least bias.

I know a few Muslims that are totally against all forms of violance, so people shouldn't try to tar everybody with the same brush.

Their are good and bad people throughout all humanity, and this will never change.It's not in the human nature to be able to do this, as history has shown.

The Christians have also tryed to force their religion on non Christians for centuries-

I believe that everyone is entitled to their opinion even if it disagrees with someone elses.

It's a sorry world that we live in, alot of religious group members and sect members seem to be like sheep following someone with a belief strong enough to influence their actions, but again this is a human trait that will never change !

So live and let live is a motto I have always tried to follow.Without bias to race creed or color or religious or political belief.

[Caid Ivik]

Bush's politics can be easily described as a crusade. As first crusades were against extremist sects (seldjuks, murabitin, catars, husites), today we fight against wahabists. Wahabist movement has powerful name in muslim world, they control Iran and Al-Qaida, support many other bands, including rebels in Chechenya, Indonesia and on Philipines. Djihad against unbelievers is their priority.

But it's same again. Each time any extremist takes rule, result is messy.

[Sardauker-Kirov]

It's just a matter of time that a actual Jihad will come and cause another similiar WW2 war with a other Hitler.

[ordos45]

Bush's politics can be easily described as a crusade. As first crusades were against extremist sects (seldjuks, murabitin, catars, husites), today we fight against wahabists. Wahabist movement has powerful name in muslim world, they control Iran and Al-Qaida, support many other bands, including rebels in Chechenya, Indonesia and on Philipines. Djihad against unbelievers is their priority.

But it's same again. Each time any extremist takes rule, result is messy.

They also mostly control Saudi Arabia. The House of Saud pays them huge amounts of money to keep them pacified. (Anyone else think the House of Saud will collapse within a few years?)

[Timenn]

Religion is just a tool used by the people who run terrorist organisations. They say that the poor people who joined will go to a better place if they commit a suicide attack.

The people in power just abuse the faith of the people. This is often overlooked

[Acriku]

Indeed Timenn, but are they not able to be believers in it themselves? Blinded so much, into their own religion and hatred?

[Timenn]

They do indeed believe in their own religion. But that is abused by people who are seen by those believers as respected and important people. It is like the pope saying from the beginning of a Christian's life that it is good to hate and kill all 'non' believers.

Take Israel. The reason for hate is all the murders going on. But those respected people say that the only way out of it is to wipe out all jews. Instead of saying that negotiating will help to peace.

[Acriku]

Ok, thanks for the clarification.

[TMA_1]

Religion is a mirror of the thoughts and intentions of mankind. You dont look into the mirror and scold it do you? YOu scold the object it reflects.

[Acriku]

So if I had a religion that was bent on violence itself, I cannot scold it?

[emprworm]

ISLAM is a vile religion. its followers still live in the 7th century. their supreme example was Muhammad, who was a killer the likes of Hitler, slaughtering hundreds of thousands of people. Muhammad raised high the sword, and brought it down in a sea of blood.

and he is the Supreme Example that all Muslims aspire to be like.

and before you anti-christian trolls come in with your flames (yawn...crusades...yawn), JESUS (not some murderous pope) is the supreme example for Christians, and JESUS killed no one.

btw- i know this will not get through your thick skulls, but I'll say it just to type something:

the crusades lasted 200 years and they were Christians DEFENDING AGAINST INVASION of Muslims. Thats right. MUSLIMS invaded Europe, and pushed all the way to Spain.

THE CRUSADES WERE A JUST WAR YOU IGNORANT ATHEISTS WHO USE THE CRUSADES AS A CRUTCH AGAINST CHRISTIANITY

I'm SOOOO GLAD the Crusades happened, or this entire earth would be Islamic

[Emperor Harkonnen]

That's right emprworm :)

If the crusades never happened then whole europe might have been muslim. and there wouldn't be democracy or liberty. The christians weakened the muslims to such a great extent that they didn't reach farther than to Vienna.

jesus set the example of love, while muhammed did the opposite. You don't need to defend Islam just because we are stronger and more numerous.