Oh, the horrors of reality

[Dante]

Is it just me, or is life just not worth living? Life Has no long-term gains, only short-term fleeting pleasures. There is nothing to strive for, nothing enjoyable about the prospect of living out the rest of my life in reality.

Reality must cope with taxes, insurance, VAT, inflation, deflation, polluting cars, credit cards, idiot TV culture, heavy metal, enviromental problems, financial problems, educational problems, military problems...

The rest of my life stretches before me and you know what? I hate the look of it. I looks like a long, boring, trudge. I don't want to get stressed at university, I don't want to conform with society, become a cog, get a job, work for years. I don't want to retire when I get too old or ill to work and I don't want to life out my life paying bills, pandering to a system I hate and otherwise coping with reality. Reality sucks. Big time. I hate it here.

Give me the option and I would happily disappear into an RA Salvatore fiction and live out the rest of my life around the Spine of the World Mountains or something. I hate it here and I see nothing long-term that could possibly get me to change my mind.

The only thing that's stopping me from committing suicide just out of curiosity is the problems that would be left behind. And of course I have no certainty that the alternative (death) would be any more enjoyable than this cesspit.

Ye gods I loathe reality. Any thoughts?

[Acriku]

Well if you want a point in your life - make life better for future generations! :)

[nemafakei]

Agreed. You know what political reforms I want to make... that's what I try to contribute to.

[HasimirFenring]

I agree. If "short-term fleeting pleasures" aren't enough of a reason to live, then seek fulfillment by making this a better world.

[Andrew]

LOL I have the same problem. Get through university (if I can not, then I have a very large problem) pay off student loan, get job, get family, die..wow life's exciting.

You sometimes get stressed at university, but it can be fun.

[Dunenewt]

Hey people the word you lot are looking for is love

[TMA_1]

hey dust scout. It is understandable that you feel this way, but there must be some underlying motives for venting this kind of personal feeling to everybody on fed2k. Do you need something? Do you think that somebody will fill the void of emptiness that you have? why is this turned directly towards yourself? it seems like that is the only thing you are thinking about.

[Navaros]

Is it just me, or is life just not worth living? Life Has no long-term gains, only short-term fleeting pleasures. There is nothing to strive for, nothing enjoyable about the prospect of living out the rest of my life in reality.

Reality must cope with taxes, insurance, VAT, inflation, deflation, polluting cars, credit cards, idiot TV culture, heavy metal, enviromental problems, financial problems, educational problems, military problems...

The rest of my life stretches before me and you know what? I hate the look of it. I looks like a long, boring, trudge. I don't want to get stressed at university, I don't want to conform with society, become a cog, get a job, work for years. I don't want to retire when I get too old or ill to work and I don't want to life out my life paying bills, pandering to a system I hate and otherwise coping with reality. Reality sucks. Big time. I hate it here.

Give me the option and I would happily disappear into an RA Salvatore fiction and live out the rest of my life around the Spine of the World Mountains or something. I hate it here and I see nothing long-term that could possibly get me to change my mind.

The only thing that's stopping me from committing suicide just out of curiosity is the problems that would be left behind. And of course I have no certainty that the alternative (death) would be any more enjoyable than this cesspit.

Ye gods I loathe reality. Any thoughts?

you hate your life because you have given in to those who lie to you. deep down in your heart, you understand and accept the fact that you are leading an immoral, deviant and pervese "lifestyle" ("deathstyle" if you ask me...) which is contrary to God's plan for living a good, long, enjoyable life

you feel worthless because you have become a slave to your disgusting urges and let them control you rather than standing up for your civility and humanity and refusing to succumb. sub-consciously, you realize that your willpower is weak and that lying to yourself to try and make yourself feel better can only comfort you for so long - like taking drugs or alcohol. now, that comfort has worn off and you are being crushed under the reality that you have been lying to yourself and indulging in depraved acts of debauchery simply because it appeases an evil need in your brain that Satan wants you to bow to.

if you ever wanna be happy with your life and not end up committing suicide eventually, then you can do it, but only if you follow my advice (not because i give it to you, but because it is the truth)

repent. reform yourself. stop living the life of a rabid animal. lead an honorable, moral life. the choice to do so is yours. you may need counselling and medication to make it happen, but if you commit yourself to living a moral life, you will be happy with yourself in the long run

[nampigai]

damn Nav, no one on this planet can spit out as much shit as you, you truly amaze me.

As for Dust Scouts Q. I can't really answer what should make your life worth living, in my opinion that's something you should find out yourself.

[Caid Ivik]

Is it just me, or is life just not worth living? Life Has no long-term gains, only short-term fleeting pleasures. There is nothing to strive for, nothing enjoyable about the prospect of living out the rest of my life in reality.

Reality must cope with taxes, insurance, VAT, inflation, deflation, polluting cars, credit cards, idiot TV culture, heavy metal, enviromental problems, financial problems, educational problems, military problems...

The rest of my life stretches before me and you know what? I hate the look of it. I looks like a long, boring, trudge. I don't want to get stressed at university, I don't want to conform with society, become a cog, get a job, work for years. I don't want to retire when I get too old or ill to work and I don't want to life out my life paying bills, pandering to a system I hate and otherwise coping with reality. Reality sucks. Big time. I hate it here.

Give me the option and I would happily disappear into an RA Salvatore fiction and live out the rest of my life around the Spine of the World Mountains or something. I hate it here and I see nothing long-term that could possibly get me to change my mind.

The only thing that's stopping me from committing suicide just out of curiosity is the problems that would be left behind. And of course I have no certainty that the alternative (death) would be any more enjoyable than this cesspit.

Ye gods I loathe reality. Any thoughts?

You have no sense of life. Whatever, you have to stop closing yourself from everything you can't understand on first view and start searching for it. Follow instructions of Nav, you are never doomed - unless you won't stop suggesting it to yourself. You are like an eagle inside nest, suffering at misery of closed senseless life at one place; open wings and fly out! If not, you are insulting whole mankind with your dumb existence.

[Acriku]

You guys mean become straight, right? ::)

[nampigai]

You guys mean become straight, right? ::)

If that was ment for me, then no! I just don't think I can tell him what will make his life worth living, my own ideas for what makes life great may not be the same as Dust Scouts.

I couldn't care less about his sexuality.

[Apollyon]

Well consider this: Inevitably you will die. Death will be infinite and whether the afterlife exists or not is irrelevent. Life is finite. You will only get one chance at it. It is your *duty* to yourself to live simply as it has been given to you. Life is a privilege, so treat it as such. Find an aim for your life; something that will make you happy. If helping people or planning for future generations makes you happy, do such. Heaven is not somthing you die to get to, in my philosophy, it is something to be attained on Earth. Anywhere can be heaven as long as you're alive to enjoy it.

[Inoculator9]

Well said Apollyon. Though I do not personally believe it as such, it is good advice.

And Nav, you should try meditating... maybe aromatherapy or soothing massage. It would help your outlook a great deal ;)

[Apollyon]

Might be a bit cheesy but I think this poem sums it up pretty well:

Waywardly

Turning slowly in deserted space,

The cogs of time work at the world.

The world of men and the world of God,

The world of no God too, for they are same.

Below the whirring machine of life,

Some might blame for their wayward strife,

There lies the home, the source, the world.

The world of men, they shape with belief,

Belief with regret, regret with belief.

Beckoning to them, emotions transform.

World-touched or world-scarred,

Either the same but different words,

To describe the tumbling opression,

Uplifting draft, or pushing breeze,

That reflects what we make of life.

This life so long, so brief, a song,

Whatever we say it is, it is.

For the belief of a man,

Shall change existence,

Or else be changed itself,

By the burden of regret.

[Dante]

I've never held much faith in the 'make the world better for others' theory. The only way the world could be made better is to dump all the things that people want the most. Cars, financial business, nuclear weapons... It's too late. If a deity existed then I'm pretty sure they would just drop this world and start over. It's beyond repair.

TMA; I'm sending this out for two reasons: firstly to see if anyone agrees with me, and secondly to try to find something to prove me wrong. I want to be proved wrong because that would give me something to live for.

Nav; I've never taken drugs and drink alcohol once every three months or so. I'm not a very social person, and besides I'm underage. I also don't believe in God, or Satan, or anything that you've sent at me. Although if you can prove me wrong then I'd be willing to change my mind.

Caid: same. My existance is onlt dumb because I can see more clearly than a few others.

I'll be back later, when I don't have to go and act...

[Egeides]

I guess I agree with Apollyon. Besides Nav, for an "enlightened by God" person, your world seems very DARK. You know what was reproached to the Dark Age's saints? To not be happy, to try to get better and so on but seeing everything pretty much as dark. "Bow to the master", "You are a wimp, a snail face to God", "Be AFFFRAIID of the dark side", etc. Gothic anyone? Jesus was nothing of this nor did he professed it I think.

To come back to the subject, Dust Scout, it's up to you to find what is the ideal, thus what is to be followed. My own path went from "I refuse hedonism that apparently many follow" to "The only thing to follow is truth" (thus: what is truth??) and finally (after a lot of problems) "I follow and go for the True, Good and Beautiful (platonician trinity)" (guess I'm partly platonician then :P). My personal case is not really "where to go" anymore, but optimally being in itself (optimally necessarily means seeking the ideal: platonician trinity for me). Of course, this brings to go somewhere. And this also brings these oriental ideas about being instead of running constantly for a goal which reaching it lasts only a moment.

If you can take anything in this, yippi. But anyway, you'll have to find your own path. And frankly, the world with "study, work, die" is to me only an interface to do be what I mentioned above. Thus: love is central to an ideal life.

[Dude_Doc]

Hey, be glad that we have it better than those before us. And life can't be that bad, you're just depressed or something. As they said, instead of wasting your life, make something better for the next generation, we've got pretty of problems.

[Acriku]

Namp, of course it wasn't directed towards you, sorry I wasn't more clear.

I've never held much faith in the 'make the world better for others' theory. The only way the world could be made better is to dump all the things that people want the most. Cars, financial business, nuclear weapons... It's too late. If a deity existed then I'm pretty sure they would just drop this world and start over. It's beyond repair.

Well, then don't think that largely. Try around your community. Community Service is a great way to help out. Adopt a child, and teach that child many great things. That sort of thing.

[Dante]

Basically in comparisson to the long term, "Live for the moment." Yes?

*Sigh* Yes, I am depressed. It's kind of a constant state of mind but it just happens to be worse at the moment. I look around me and I see a crass, media-bound vulture-like culture pandering to itself and spiralling ever downwards into inevitable greyness. I see pollution, extinction, choking bureaucracy and capitalism (Yes, Edric. You were right, I hate it). Everywhere I go I see the same old, same old. It's not that it's bad, although that is certainly a factor. It's that it's boring. The chances that I will lead out the rest of my life in a non-spectacular way before dying are astronomically in favour.

Community service? Helping people? I'll admit that helping people does make me happy sometimes. And then what? People are grouchy, ungrateful sods. The more you do, the more they demand and I for one have never got much in return for being nice to people. Explaining why I don't tend to do it very often. Reality is too real. Doesn't fiction seem so much more attractive?

[Apollyon]

"Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world. Unreasonable people attempt to adapt the world to themselves. All progress therefore depends on unreasonable people."

-George Bernard Shaw.

;)

[TMA_1]

well dust, I may know how you feel more than you know on this issue, but even if that is the case, each instance of personal feelings has its own differences. Do you want somebody to prove you wrong? You say you do, and well your trustworthy so I take you at your word. It just seems like there are so many of these posts and very little indulging in the ideas of others. You are a very smart guy and a type of person I would see as a good friend to have. You have a lot more to live for than you think. As corny as this sounds, Living life is not just how you feel and think, but what others feel and think around you. Whether you believe it or not you have made an important impact on peoples lives, all of us do. It sucks to see another person feel like this because I have somewhat of a knowledge of the feelings. I honestly wish you would feel better man because in the end, after all is said and done here on dune2k I honestly can find something good in every single individual on this forum. I did not mean to sound like a jerk, I really just wish you didnt feel like this. One of my best friends felt the same way as you, and he does not exist anymore. It is a cheap way to go and it was not worth it in the least. He hurt so many people around him because of his selfishness. I dont say this to be mean, but to show you have real meaning. Think about others too, just as much as about yourself. Usually the quality of feelings that others have toward you show the kind of quality you are as an individual. In the end, cheer up man because life may suck most of the time, but there are beautiful moments in it, and those moments outshine the bad.

dont mind nav, he just wants attention. He really doesnt care. you know that of course, I just dont like how he handles stuff.

hope i havent freaked you out or anything, just wanted to help.

[Caid Ivik]

I've never held much faith in the 'make the world better for others' theory. The only way the world could be made better is to dump all the things that people want the most. Cars, financial business, nuclear weapons... It's too late. If a deity existed then I'm pretty sure they would just drop this world and start over. It's beyond repair.

Nothing is late, as well as nothing is spoiled. Nuclear weapons? Countries with them enjoy longest period of internal peace! Financial business? There is no work in "blood and anger" thanks to it! Cars? World is smaller thanks to them! Well, not whole world is in such perfect status, but what we have is a thing to praise! Odecha Adonai! Allah akbar!

You just have to stop being thankless and look at things from the other side. This world is ideal!

[Dante]

Exactly Apollyon. :) Glad people actually notice that...

Cars pollute. They kill plants, animals and people. Regularly. They're noisy, smelly, foul contraptions and their roads are even worse. Expensive, ugly lines of grey across the scenery.

Nuclear bombs and missiles took all the life out of warfare (and some cities). Instead of complicated campaigns, strategies, armies and sieges they just press the damn red button. There's no light side to cars or missiles other than perhaps employment.

Eee. You're right, TMA; I know you are. *Sighs* Here's where I begin to feel guilty about throwing my problems at people. Well, I suppose being an optimist would have it's advantages. And I forgot, there is one benefit to living in such a dunghole!

It can't get any worse! ;D

Well, actually it can if rhubarbrhubarbrhubarb...

[Egeides]

Dust: I do not say someone should live for the short term, I even say the opposite. But look at someone going up a mountain: There is the one that goes there to reach the specific point (the top) and there is the one that is going for the top with the goal of "being on his way to the top". Same thing in life. Otherwise, you're only hapy for a fraction fo second: when you've reached the top. Then it fades. The top itself isn't the goal. The goal is being, and to do this in the ultimate way: on our way to the top.

What comes next is: is there a top and if there is one, where is it? Personally, I defined it (for many reasons) as being Beauty, Truth, Good, which form one since they are caracteristics of the essence of things (the rest being only the absence of this, as darkness is the absence of light).