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is dune realistic?

Emperor Harkonnen

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Duncan_ghola

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It sounds realistic, but if there was some sort of butlerian jihad i dont think we would ban all computers, i think we would allow some a with less powerful AI to work for us, a few months ago i read an article of an Air India commercial plane bought by the Us, it was fitted with a large laser of the nose, the rest of the jet is filled with equipment to emit create the laser, the laser could destroy missles, or any other airborne object miles away at the speed of light. So lasers are already being used, im guessing lasguns will come sooner than later.

NHJ BV

NHJ BV

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I always wonder why there isn't any form of television or radio of some sort. If you can build spaceships without needing AI, surely you can make a planetary television system without breaking the Jihad rules?

lowzeewee

lowzeewee

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While I use my crysknife to get your water...can't the fremen drink their own urine? ;D

Why can't the fremen just go to Caladan to slack and avoid getting fried dry by the arrakis frying pan?

fremfedeliteNIAC

fremfedeliteNIAC

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just think tho... if the universe is proven to be infinite, then arrakis does really exist and the whole dune story is happening right now.

right this very second that u are reading this, paul atriedes and his fremen chums are riding a huge worm across the sand...

fremfedeliteNIAC

fremfedeliteNIAC

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hard to fathom, but its a well known theory that the universe is infinite, and if that is true (i dont know how it would ever be proven) then every possibilty is occuring right now....

like you, jack leaf, is right now being forced to say 'i like to eat rabid hamstes' by a giant pink crocodile because you broke into the giant pink crocodile lair (or homocrocies as they are known to the locals) for food and the legendary tail of the founder of the giant pink crocodile commuity there.

(plus lots of other things)

Duncan_ghola

Duncan_ghola

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Comon dozy you and i know its not a well known theory that the universe is infinite, the universe is expanding, and its immense, words can hardly describe the immensity of the universe. but its not infinite although to us it may seem, eventually though the universe will cave in on its self i think thats called the big brunch but im not sure

fremfedeliteNIAC

fremfedeliteNIAC

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lol its the 'big crunch' (that may have been a joke that i missed..)

and i never said it was widly accepted, just that it was well known

(also it may not end in a big crunch, it all depends on the total mass of the universe-it may just keep on floating apart for ever and ever and ever and ever.........)

(oh and also if it does that then we will all be streched to be like the size of galaxies hehe(of course if we live for ever then we will be streched to be infinitly large, but ya know im just saying...)

Emperor Harkonnen

Emperor Harkonnen

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please don't change the subject..

the spice could exsit. so could the bene gesserit and the mentats. It is possible for a human brain to remember 6000 books...or even more. this means that the brain has hidden capabilities.

TMA_1

TMA_1

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actually, I have heard that scientists are moving back to the theory of a closed system, as einstein believed. The flat universe and whatnot may not be true, but of course it is much more complicated than that and I am no expert on those matters.

the dune universe isnt realistic. Just like any science ficiton book though. We dont know where our future will take us, and the idea that frank laid out is one of billions upon billions of choices. Still I just dont see it as being fully realistic. It is way too abstract and gives humans too much credit of creativity.lol ALso, most people who love dune are often overthinkers, as I am bigtime. its a horrible quality in many ways, but is wonderful for the imagination. Frank herbert has a huge problem with overthinking.lol He tends to bend towards paranoia it seems at times. I wouldnt trust his idea of the future being accurate. at the same time though he never wanted to be the "prophet" that people said he was. read what he says and you will see. He always told people that he wrote this stuff for entertainment, that simple.

fremfedeliteNIAC

fremfedeliteNIAC

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frank herbert does know quite alot about science it seems, and he does come up with really good ideas, like those orb thing for collecting water and all that

"just that it was well known"

Correct. Just like the theory that faeries exist.

um.. yea but the difference is that the theory that the universe is infinite is way more popular then the theory that faeirys exist.

i was saying that the other main theory of the universe is probaby more popular right now, (maybe thats changed now...)

TMA_1

TMA_1

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nuclear submarines arent that big a deal to think up. they were being tested by a few governments and it was kinda well known in certain areas. besides, put two and two together. Instead of making expensive icbms that can only be used once, why not make cheaper rockets, with less range. stick them in a submarine and head right into the enemies territory?

I think frank herberts insightful things are the ornithopter, (which is being invented right now, have a working prototype too.) organic technologies to take place of electronics. and so on.

also it is how he focuses on science fiction. Most sci fi books have aliens in them, and usually the aliens are identical to humans psychologically. They are usually used to explain human nature as well. Frank in the dune books doesnt use the crutch of alien life. (though he does in other books of his). He also expresses humanity ina completely forigen and alien culture, speckled with parts of our past.

Also how he writes so far into the future. most sci fi stories date anywhere from the late 21st century, to the late 26 century. not dune though.

Egeides

Egeides

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Do you believe that 1984 (George Orwell) or Brave New World (Aldous Huxley) were written as litteral explanations of the future, some kind of futurama where the author tries to depict the future in all its details? No.

Dune, as the Orwell or Huxley's books, are only showing general paths that they see. They may give some insight, bring some reflexions about the rules of history, but they are no more. But Dune is a bit different: it's not only (or almost) about society as 1984 or Brave New World, but is also about some other aspects: sexuality, being sane, human nature, tragedy and its nature, etc.

Also, Dune is more diluded into a story, less compact in term of theoric thinking, and more compact in term of ambiance (which is a differerent way to show something). But at the same time, Dune is 6 books, which brings LOTS of stuff.

TMA_1

TMA_1

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I would agree with you but not in this instant. The post is simply termed "is dune realistic?". The parellel universes like 1984 were very realistic in a sense that they held to all of the evils that currupt communism offered. Dune though is not in simple terms realistic. It is a flight of fancy and that is why it was written, it wasent written to be realistic.

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