Westwood - Make Two Clan Ladders for Emperor!!!

[Navaros]

Westwood - Make Two Clan Ladders for Emperor!!!

That's right.  

The current Clan Ladder can be known as the "Kiddy/Newbie/Cheater/Skill-less Players Ladder" and the new ladder can be known as "The Real Ladder".

I mean this, seriously, this really *needs* to happen.

I finally get a powerhouse clan member, so I decide: "let's put my Clan on the map this month".   Then I start joining Clan games.  What do I see?  30k!  Everywhere! 30k!  Newbies galore!  Skill-less newbies who only play on 30k!   Some of us don't have time for 5-hour games!    I *HATE* 30k.  30k ruins the game.

30k means you suck.  30k means you have no appreciation for the dynamics of Emperor gameplay and the nuances that are to be nurtured by good players in order to amass a huge killing force.      

30k means you are a mouse, not a man.

The Real Ladder should be done exactly like QM, same cash, same 3 min rule, same random-map selected for each game.   They should do this on The Real  Ladder for both 2 player and 4 player Clan games.

I was psyched up for finally getting an elite player in my clan after hoping for some elite players for months.  Now that I see how most clan games work, I'm thinking:

WTF was the point of that???? WTF is the point of Clans?   Play on 30k or be limited to only finding a few other good players to compete with, hence ending up playing much less Clan games for the month and having skill-less newbies ranked ahead of you simply because they can find more skill-less games to content themselves with?????

UGH!!!

Westwood REALLY needs to fix the clan system!   Patch the game so ALL ranked games, including clan games, are played on QM settings, or make a new Clan Ladder where this BS can not ruin the whole concept of Clan play for everyone with *any* skill!!!

[Dunlavy]

I doubt that Westwood will put any further work into Emperor.  Nav, if you're so shitty at Westwood why not just get WarCraft 3 and play that on Battle.Net?

Otherwise, don't play clan games and just lone it, like I do...

[ken124578]

host your own clan game.

[Frodo_I]

trolling thru the forum one day, nav decided to invent another topic

[Timenn]

Stop all that yelling about settings of other people. If you can't handle that settings and lose that's why it means they are better in that situation. And not that they are losers because they have a different play style then you.

[Navaros]

ken,

hosting my own clan games is not good enough because the newbies who play clan games won't play on normal settings anyhow so even if i do that i'm still not gonna get enough clan games to get a fair rank.

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frodo,

FFS stop spamming my topics with your drivel.

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Timenn,

actually no, winning on 30k 8 player maps does not make a player "better" at Emperor in that situation.

[Timenn]

I understand you point about boring. I'm bored too of Atreides players with a mino-rush. Or players who only want 1 type of setting. But I just think, it's a game. And I like to lose from a player who uses such strange tactics rather then winning from a player who just started and don't know the common internet-tactics.

But I trust the single-ladder more then the clan-ladder. Clans are not so important for me. I joined one last time, because I liked the play-style of the host and he invited me.

But don't forget, as long as there are records saved from battles, people will do anything, just to win. Even if a game must go boring. And you must just accept that. Cause there are many situations where this happens.

Just have fun with the games you really like

[xvayne]

Hey nav endo plays qm sets, and most of the "better "players do also.

All 30k does is allow noobs to build a few more units, or last a couple of extra mins. I play qm, and they are the only competive sets, but that doesnt mean i would lose on 30k. I am still a decent player, and 30k doesnt change that.

[Navaros]

Hey nav endo plays qm sets, and most of the "better "players do also.

All 30k does is allow noobs to build a few more units, or last a couple of extra mins. I play qm, and they are the only competive sets, but that doesnt mean i would lose on 30k. I am still a decent player, and 30k doesnt change that.

Don't forget that you use Ordos.   Ordos can get anywhere on the map in a very short amount of time.  With Atreides, Minos are necessary to win.   On 8 player maps with 30k by the time I kill one of the enemy's bases he can expand and have two or three more bases.   The travel time with Minos makes this a *huge* issue - moving Minos, and hence - winning can take forever.  I understand that things like Engineers and Guild can alleviate this a little bit, but they aren't always going to be effective against every player.

[ken124578]

ever thought of the: advanced carry-all?

[ken124578]

Timenn,

actually no, winning on 30k 8 player maps does not make a player "better" at Emperor in that situation.

[xvayne]

Good point nav, but what you have to vs 30k players is whoop them bad. Use there own tatics vs them. If i play 30k i rush them still. It just allows my rush to be that much better

With atr you are slow, but tell them to play a smaller map. Try mino dropping in there base. Or rush them with feds and bikes.

Thats y qm sets are the best, force you to do multiply things. Like make units, defend base, spice, make an economy, etc. 30k you just sit there and build the biggest units from the start.

[sneezer3]

so IF i send a chemical trooper to you whenever i get one does that mean i still win?

NO

you are an atreides player, atreides NEED money its like without sufficient money they'll DIE!

so why complain that 30k sucks while you house needs it?

on top of that why even post here if you know WW isn't going to do anything?

trolling thru the forum one day, nav decided to invent another topic

this guy here had a point ;)

Edit :beat you to it Edric O ;D

[Navaros]

Good point nav, but what you have to vs 30k players is whoop them bad. Use there own tatics vs them. If i play 30k i rush them still. It just allows my rush to be that much better

With atr you are slow, but tell them to play a smaller map. Try mino dropping in there base. Or rush them with feds and bikes.

Thats y qm sets are the best, force you to do multiply things. Like make units, defend base, spice, make an economy, etc. 30k you just sit there and build the biggest units from the start.

Mino dropping would be wonderful if it was possible to move more than one ADV Carryall holding a Mino at the same time.   Due to bugs in the game that Westwood still needs to fix, this is not possible most of the time, so Mino dropping is mostly useless.   Anyone who can not handle one Mino being dropped at a time must really really *really* suck (even more so then ppl who only play 30k, who are guranteed to likewise suck very very much)

[Timenn]

Suggestion: move with the alt-key and all carryalls will respond. And at the place of target. Have them all selected and press 'D'

But stop that arrogance over that you people are so much better then the people who play with 30k money

[Edric O]

Nav, I'm willing to actually PAY you to just SHUT UP!!!!!!!

WHEN will you finally understand that WESTWOOD HAS ABANDONED EMPEROR??

They DO NOT read this message board!!

I agree with you on certain things (like this comment on clan games), BUT THERE'S NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO ABOUT IT!!

[Navaros]

Nav, I'm willing to actually PAY you to just SHUT UP!!!!!!!

WHEN will you finally understand that WESTWOOD HAS ABANDONED EMPEROR??

They DO NOT read this message board!!

I agree with you on certain things (like this comment on clan games), BUT THERE'S NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO ABOUT IT!!

Fight the good fight every day, my brother.

Yes, under the current conditions Westwood will not patch the game, however, there IS hope.   If EA/Westwood finally learn that abandoning their games makes for disgruntled customers who will no longer buy their products, EA/Westwood will re-think their "abandon anything that isn't selling any more!" mindset.  

Look at Blizzard.  They are/just (haven't checked lately) patched Diablo II *AGAIN*, even though Diablo II is like 4 years old.  This results in loyal customers who will always buy Blizzard games despite extortionary prices and tactics on the part of Blizzard (such as WarCraft 3 retailing for $89.99 Canadian, plus tax, and forcing players to buy any expansion packs they release just to be able to keep playing the game like they did with Lord of Destruction by patching the game so anyone without the expansion pack could not play the game due to the ridiculous resistance penalties after Normal mode).

All that needs to happen for EA/Westwood to patch Emperor is for them to realize that abandoning games hurts their bottom-line, and there are much more profitable ways  to extort customers aside from abandoning games.

[Soul_-_Reaver]

If they were to make 2 ladders like that, which by the way would give them bad publicity i.e. critics will say "Westwood hosts cheats and lamers" And i guarentee someone will label them that, no matter if it is for the good of the game, but who has the right to say who belongs where, Nav, for all your complaints at the game prospects, where others just play and get around things and actually think of ways to beat the things you moan about, how could you for one expect to play in the "real ladder" when you are as lame as some of the people you critisize Nav?

No i'm not trying to get at you here, but Nav please read what you are typing, can you not see the lunacy in your complaints? It's easy to control multiple adv carryalls, i use it all the time, you can select all of them and then send them on their way using alt+ctrl, but before you send them you assign them numbers, then when they are all in flight you put your camera view on enemies base and press 1 through 9 and select where you want each one to drop. If you send 9 that is. But can you not see that if others can do it without problems, and for you to complain.. it makes you look ridiculous. It'd be bad enough if you only complained like that a few times but you do it over and over and over.

[nemafakei]

The thing is, in a slow (high-requirements) game like emp, it's easier to get the fighting started with cash, bases and units from the word go- and better, since it takes so long to start a game, you don't want to be spending time getting the simple things and harvesting etc... all the slow things.

I'm nnot saying all games should be played like that, just that there are reasons for playing with such settings. And whatever the starting cash, some people will always complain.

[Edric O]

Nav, if your purpose is to make WW/EA listen, then I suggest assaulting them with emails and petitions. But even then your chances are about 0.0000000000000001%. In any case, posting here about your problems is futile, because WW DOESN'T READ THESE FORUMS!

There's really only ONE way to make EA listen: hit them where it hurts. ;D And I mean their pockets. Boycott C&C Generals and only THEN will they listen to you. You should be investing all this time and energy into convincing people to boycott C&C Generals. I'm already into it - I'll buy only a warez copy of that game (which will probably suck anyway).

[Navaros]

Nav, if your purpose is to make WW/EA listen, then I suggest assaulting them with emails and petitions. But even then your chances are about 0.0000000000000001%. In any case, posting here about your problems is futile, because WW DOESN'T READ THESE FORUMS!

There's really only ONE way to make EA listen: hit them where it hurts. ;D And I mean their pockets. Boycott C&C Generals and only THEN will they listen to you. You should be investing all this time and energy into convincing people to boycott C&C Generals. I'm already into it - I'll buy only a warez copy of that game (which will probably suck anyway).

I agree.  However, perhaps by annoying some people by reminding them of the millions of bugs in Emperor and even pointing out to them bugs that they are not aware of, I accomplish *something*.

Sure,  at first glance my posts may just annoy people who come to realize that "Hey, yes, this guy is actually right!  These bugs totally ruin Emperor gameplay but Westwood won't fix it so he should shut up and stop reminding us!"  But over time, the masses may come to realize that by continuning to be brain-less Westwood/EA game-buying zombies, the pattern will never change.   If any of my words incite disgust and loathing for anything with an EA or Westwood logo on it in just one person, I see that as a huge accomplisment.

[Frodo_I]

Lol this is so funny, it's Nav's pathfinding bug/need game patch post all over again

If anyone actually wants help with any of the situations nav has brought up just IM me and i'll send you a reply.  Posting a fix to a tatic in here is pointless cause nav will just dispute it, when he doesn't know what he's talking about.

[Edric O]

Nav, if that's what you really want then you should change the basic template of your posts from:

"Look, a bug! Fix it! Fix it! Fix it!"

to:

"Look, another stupid bug WW won't bother to fix. While people keep buying their games, WW/EA will just continue to ignore the community."

[ken124578]

stop it edric, i don't want to be reminded that emperor is already dying for i already know. :'(

lets just ignore that fact and keep mastering mre skills.