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I actually think that maybe the movie will be PRE darth vader conversion. I find it hard to believe that after hyping anakin up to be the new series hero that Lucus will loose the "teen girl with deer caught in the headlights look on her face" ticket sales. Just because the movies are prequels doesn't mean there cannot be any discontinuities between the last prequel and episode iv. Lucus could allways say he intends on making a 4th movie in a few years.

Yeah, thats what I was talking about. But, all the rings were made with Sauron's influence. He was there "learning" when they were made. He "helped" make them. So that makes them all evil when he yields the binding ring. When he doesn't have the binding ring, then the other rings do their own thing like you said. FWH

Nice post TMA-1.

DDOS = Distributed Denial Of Service attack. It means people can try to access you and cannot because someone has overloaded your bandwidth. No where in DDOS does it say you can only do it with pinging a server. Sub7 is the program the people use to take over the computers or the "zombies". It doesn't have to be SUb7, but it is in this particular case. Sub7 can ALSO be used to format your hard drive if the bot "script kiddy" decides to. Hence why I said the "bot nets" are particularily hazardous to gamers health. Reciently, there was a guy that was also using activeX controls, something where it automatically installs and you never are even "prompted" for approval. Gob might not even know about that one. Basically you have to have activeX controls shut off or a good antivirus program because the "free" virus software did not catch it. You don't see any advertising of the trojans on WWOL because the two guys that were doing it got caught, at least one got caught and had his secret server taken away, the other guy went on vacation and has yet to do it since. But I may still have one of the links they used, if i find it i'll post it just to show you what the sites advertising them looked like FWH

WOW, Gob's getting cynical!! :O And it DOES have to do with online gaming. You guys here may not have seen it much but the entire WW community was getting spammed with advertisments for downloading trainers, hacks, and custom maps when in fact it was the trojan >:(. Thats how these guys get their "zombies", from kids and unsuspecting gamers! ANd Gob, face it, not everyone has your skillz with checking ports and scanning for infected files ;). For that matter, you cannot scan for sub7 cause it inputs a RANDOMLY named file into your computer and then deletes itself! How can you scan for something named "evilprogram" when it's real name is 00789nm33?? The best thing to do is be aware that there is a something that sucks up your bandwidth, don't install downloaded programs without scanning it first, tell people about it, which is what i'm doing for you guys ;D and gryphon, I understand your point, and your entitled to your opinion, but ddos attacks DO harm, if you own a business, use messaging for school, do online transactions, etc, it affects you in a serious way. And don't say it cannot infect your computer, because the Sub7 allows the hackers to INPUT commands to your computer as well. Just cause commands are input through IRC doesn't mean they never hurt your computer, that !udp command is just one of many, MANY commands that can be sent to all or any zombie computer. FWH

http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm Take a look at that article and please read it. That article details how kids are using IRC and IRCD chat in online video games to take over your computer. I know the article is long, if anyone wants to summarize it feel free; but, it tells you why they do it, how it's done, where it's done, how to test to see if you have it, what to do if you do have it and want it removed, what firewalls do and DO NOT detect it, etc, etc Any self respectable gamer that doesn't want his/her cable line being used without his/her permission WILL read this article! FWH

If you want the opinion of an old timer that still visits the site, then Thoxens kool. I gotta give props for the guy spending so long developing an atreites wall. If he had done that back when the QM was still getting alot of use he might have taken my WOL calendars away ;) Unfortunately we used to allways rush his partner then 2v1 him till he gave in. Once he still won (won't say who my partner was then) Viligent was allways too busy making ppl accept his own settings, he shouldn't be on there, heh Xvayne still plays?? jeese i thought that guys was married and had 2 kids by now??!! How come noone mentioned Nav.........*snicker* ;D ACE i remember being real good. But ACE was only good at ordos i think U guys should do a poll for best player that went random all the time FWH

First Westwoodexposed.com was shut down by the web site host because he got alot of complaints from one web site that didn't like us talking about trainers since it was making WW look bad Then Westwoodexposed.net was opened. If anyone saw that site in the last month or two the new design was made by myself. That site shut down like a week ago because in part due to one of the two or three guys making bot nets packeting(one of these guys also works for an irc network called radiantx.net). By the way Westwoodexposed.net, at its end was trying hard to keep online gaming in WW safer. The straw that broke the camels back was when the Westwoodexposed.net web site creator Ty[wse] went into the official IRC chat for the site and saw all the characters from radiantx that he knows did or do help in hacking or spreading trojans. He asked to have them banned and the network admins (which work with the westwoodexposed.net hoster) said no. After that the site creator got sick of dealing with these type of ppl and decided the site wasn't worth the trouble anymore Ty[wse] is still pursuing cheat free servers. He has had to replace several ppl that left the project. I don't see the servers coming up in the near future though. Ty is very adamant about wanting to complete the project, but he doesn't have the programming skills yet to finish the work on his own. He is in school to get the programming backround, and he has friends helping him again now, but its gonna take a while I should be making my own site in the near future as soon as i take a little vacation from site design, forum installations (we used vBulletin), and site updates. If anyone wants info on my site I'll be happy to pm them but i don't want to give too many ppl ideas before i get it up, heh FWH

I haven't seen any posts about this so i apologize if i posted about something previously covered. Just thought i would help out u guys since EBFD chat runs on IRC. WOL games, specifically TS/FS and RA2, have a few guys going into the online chat rooms using IRC scripts advertising trainers and hacks for the games. If you visit the site and install the trainer nothing happens visibly. What does happen is that the program/trojan reconfigures your MIRC settings after installing a clone MIRC program on your computer. Unknown to the user some guy far away is using part of your internet connection bandwidth for a "botnet". For anyone not familar with a botnet here's a URL to educate yourself: http://golcor.tripod.com/gtbot/gtbot_accessdiver.htm Botnets can be configured to make slave packeters, keyboard loggers, or even change your computer settings like an actual "hack" of your computer. The trojans that i have seen advertised are NOT, i repeat NOT detected by virus scanners. Maybe Nyar can submit their info to the right places and change that. Nyar if you pm my i'll try and find a site advertising but they go up and down as ppl try and close them once they know what they are For those of you saying "he's crazy, TS or RA2 or whatever game is +M, it doesn't have online chat enabled" wrongo. You cannot chat thru your game console, but you can chat thru the use of an IRC program remotely connected to the IRC server used for the game chat room My old website did an article on one of the guys advertising these trojans and he decided to packet the site. We had over 200 guests logged onto our forums at once cause of the guy, so there ARE kids out there gullable enough to install this stuff Just a heads up. If you think your infected i have info on how to remove the older versions. I'm not sure if any newer versions are being used FWH

I read your info Nyar and I have to sympathsize with Leto's confusion. I don't care if my provider is next to my house, if I'm using a phone line thats 20 years old and can only send or recieve 10kbps when the game wants 17kbps there will be lag/slowerplay/whateveryouwanttocallit. The same doesn't happen with cable, unless theres alot of ppl on the same port at once as you pointed out. When I talk about connection speed I naturally refer to the bottleneck, which in my experience is almost allways the phone line quality. Maybe leto was referring to his phone line but saying his 56K modem?? FWH

Edrico, shame, shame, shame on you. Am i gonna have to dust off the ol' EBFD game just to prove you wrong?? heh, hi all, Been a while :) Here's a rush i liked to use against ordos and hark. Build your factory and infantry barracks. Pump out 5 mongooses and about 20 snipers, then boom, send all to their base. The snipers, one shot one kill, take out all the infantry that can easily kill mongooses. The mongooses kill anything heavy (remember your early in game, not TOO much heavy stuff) The mongooses also devastate their harvesting if you get there before the base. Last thing i love about this tatic. Mongooses can shoot while running away. So if you get screwed (usually cause you didn't "spread" your snipers and they send flametroopers or gas troopers at you) You can still do damage while running back to your base (or your partners if you want to make him mad, heh) Edit* forgot to add that there is micromanaging involved. For instance, you can't move up your snipers too far in front of the mongooses or the opponents vehicles will wipe out your snipers. Same goes for the mongooses, don't get them too close to the opponents infantry or bye bye mongooses. Good tatic, used it many a time against hark. Less successful against ordos cause ordos allways dust scout rush as a standard tatic anyways (bleah!) FWH

i would say yes, since you didn't get banned or have your post deleted for making that comment. On the renegade forums you would have ;D FWH

something Duke Leetwannabe left out Well if there intending on revisiting that universe and there NOT making any expansions then i guess there gonna make a SCII aren't they?? duh And don't say it won't be called starcraft cause they say there planning on revisiting the "starcraft" universe

The best way to get WW to correct their mistakes is to hit them in the pocketbook, wse proved that with renegade. Also, if you haven't tried it, the jedi knight series is really good, there's also star trek rts games that are quite good too FWH

With all the complaining you guys have had (including myself) about the lack of help/support from WW on emperor i thought i might point out one aspect of the WW game your very lucky to have; a forum hosted by someone other than WW, in this case Gob ;D With the recient complaints about patches and the discovery of an aimbot the WW renegade forum members are becoming quite baffled at the number of posts dissappearing, the number of users profiles being locked (preventing signature and password changes), and the number of forum members changing names when their account gets deleted/banned ??? :O. I've also been told the same is going on at the official generals forum regarding the controversial decision by EA/WW to play generals on GSA and not WOL. I can't confirm that though since i don't view those forums much. Funny how both forums are administered by the same person :O Thats not going on here, for the most part you guys have a tight community :), and Gob gives noticeable latitude in your posts, kudos Gob ;D. Ironically it seems that the decision by ww to delete the old ww hosted forum and make Gob's site home for the new emperor battle for dune forum was a good idea, funny how things work out, eh?

Well i agree with what he said. I laugh every time is see you guys run/camp at the video game store for a new release by WW. just to post what crap it is on here two weeks later ::). I'm not judging you guys like Dunlavy, i'm just saying it's funny to watch. Dunlavy, if you want to vent more, find out what WW hasn't fixed and why, and at the same time find alternatives to supporting WW by buying their games go HERE. They got tons of info on that stuff. The main page is being worked on, so if it's offline go HERE and you can read about recient developments until the main page is back up. FWH

Hi guys, couple of new things First off WSE found a renegade aimbot, were gonna post info on it soon. Second, Here's the Star Warz Rap: http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/bin/content/shockwave.jsp?id=atom_1403 FWH

I should also note that there are later versions of the same program that work just as well for cable and dsl. What you heard about ppl disconnecting for a second from the internet with cable or dsl is probably a case of someone using Rocket to do it FWH

LOL at emp's niavety ;). Let me share a secret wit ya emp. WW has known about this for years, they just don't want to fix it. Want another good secret, WW's games, unlike microsoft software, are mostly backwards compatible, so if you get a cheat that works on one, it works on all :O :O. You clearly look to be in pain over this issue so i'll throw you a bone ;). This will also help ACE so he doesn't keep spinning his wheels about this d/c stuff You, emp, were attacked by a version of the Rocket_Nuke_V## program. It's small, 182kb, only takes like a half second to run, and works like a charm. Here's the text instructions for the modem version of the program, basically obselete now, i removed any scripts and whatnot that would actually allow someone to use these instructions, so don't worry, it's only for info purposes: Rocket v1.0 instructions 1)The first thing to do if you want this 'nuker' to work is add ##### string in your modems init its very easy follow step-step instructions Help for the string: 1)Press "Start" at the bottom left 2)Go to "settings" 3)Click "Control Panel" 4)In the "control panel" click "Modems" 5)Choose your modem and press "Properties" 6)Go to the "Connection" tab 7)Click the "Advanced" button Final: 8)In the "Extra Settings" type ##### and press ok 2)Why to do all that? Rocket v1.0 is a program that sends the ###### command to a computer The ###### command is the command that modems use to disconnect from the internet,with this string (######) your PC doesnt reply to any ####### commands trough the net so you are safe to use it.If you dont add the ######## string and you are using a modem you will disconnect yourself everytime you try to "nuke" someone with it. 3)Rocket v1.0 will work on victims that use modems WSE has been telling members about this program and others like it since the sites creation, we have whole sections on this stuff in our forums and main page. This is a perfect example of a program that WW could fix in maybe 2 man hours max, but refuses to exert themselves on. And what i said about backwards compatible is really true, that program was made for Tiberian Sun, but it works just as well on EBFD. FWH

Hi guys let me see if i can hit everything in one post, may be a little long though. sorry There's two reasons for this. Reason number one is that the makers of WU have to make a patch that allows you to connect to the WU online servers, it also contains certain files for the cheat detection, and a server interface page. This patch has to be made for each game. In addition to making the patch, servers have to be set up the same way but with alot more software and work involved. As a result the servers may only initially support say two or three of the online games i stated in the first post. Then a couple of months later another game is added, etc. The second reason is that you have to pick and choose which games you'll initially support, and ebfd didn't have the popularity with WSE/WU that is has here. If you remember a while back, i asked any mods and loyal emperor players to go to WSE and show their support for ebfd on the WU servers, for the most part this didn't happen. THis is not to say that ebfd won't be supported, its just that emperor players will either have to go to WSE/WU and show the makers that there IS and allways WILL be a community for ebfd, or they will have to be patient and wait till all other games have been added. I would also like to comment on emp's comments. I am not sure emp got the jist of the WSE site and all it's content. If you read about the sites "CEO" and his experiences it puts the sites context into a better perspective. Basically the site was created because so many ppl in the WWOL community had absolutely no clue as to the terrible support Westwood was giving it's products. WSE wanted to educate gamers as well as get a response from WW in an attempt to actually help the company recover it's tainted reputation. Not many ppl are aware of the latter of the two reasons WSE was created. WSE allways has, and still does want to help WW, but you can't help someone until they are willing to recieve help, and WW just won't bite. But in the meantime WSE didn't want WW gamers going out like lambs to the slaughter and buying any WW game that hit the market. So until WSE could recieve any hope of helping WW we focused on educating gamers in the online practices of WW. Because the number of ppl in disbelief of WW's crappy support was so staggering, WSE decided to back up it's claims and stories with proof, and as a result, for a while, WSE displayed each and every trainer/hack/password generator/etc that was currently used on WWOL gaming, and thats when ppl really started to see the truth with WW's lack of patching, updates, and support. Not long after making the info on these programs available WSE actually got a response from WW/EA ;D, a major victory in the sites mission statement :). WW/EA sat down with WSE site admins and CEO's and hacked out a plan to get WU up and running even faster than was expected. As a show of good faith, WSE took down all the previously displayed programs showing WW's flaws (and and making them public), and in return convinced WW/EA that it was in their best interest to support WU and cheat free online gaming. Unfortunately, the old generation of WW support staff still exhists and ultimately put the kabash on WW/EA supporting WU :'(. But unfettered WSE pushed on, and we will soon have a medium to support totally free, cheat free online gaming 8) 8). As for emp's comments about the number of site forum members, we actually do have around 400-500 ppl that post on the forum, the rest need pruning, and i'll get to that in the next week or so. The last pruning we did recieved some negative feedback when ppl that don't post in high volumes came back to the site they love to find out that their accounts no longer exhisted :'(, so i've been weary to prune non active members lately. But i'll get to it soon. The fact that we had no new members on June 28th doesn't convince me that our site has no demand, sorry, just don't see it ;D. Keep in mind also, that our site is about 3 (maybe 4) years younger than Gob's site, so saying that our forum has a post volume comparible to Gob's forum is actually a compliment, thank you. I would also like to point out that emprworm didn't go to our IRCD chat channel, where there is also significant traffic. If we didn't use IRCd then the number of forums posts would be at least double what it is now ;).

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Well put, allways nice to see another WW gamer that thinks he got robbed. Just don't go out and buy generals now that you've seen the truth. And for the love of pete i hope none of you buy Earth and Beyond, it's still in beta and it's gettin reammed in reviews

I put up the first submission, it was put in by Sh3llshock, and it's all emperor players. Go to the blacklist forum if you want to view, reply, defend yourself in the thread. The info in the thread is just copied information from messages in this board though, with links to the game stats, etc. Nothing people here haven't seen before

;D :O 8) Wse re opened their main page, partly in response to VTed (Ted Morris) not cooperating with the agreement WSE admins made with WW/EA. :O. WSE had planned to redo the main page, but after several attempts to get VTed to give the site admins back their WWOL nicks, they gave up and decided to reopen the main page, with all the exposing articles intact. A new page isn't going to be done until WW honors their agreement with WSE. Read about things like the systematic shutdown of the WW chat forums, why, how, and when. Sunflights dismissal, why, when, how. The WSE beta test of Earth and Beyond, and of course about the WU cheat free servers. In addition, you can view the Azzholes page, that page will be a template for the page that the WSE blacklist database is goin on. ;D The downloads section is still offline and will remain that way unless ALL agreements with WW/EA are no longer honored (EA pledged support of the WU servers). You can access the wse main page HERE ;D

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