euthanasia

[zamboe]

I've known that since a few months ago in The Netherlands the euthanasia was legalized (not to be used free, but still). So, I was thinking, that if any state should offer a legal way to get the euthanasia to those people who really need/want it. I personally don't agree with it at all, but that's just me, However I wouldn't want that my personal believes would affect others. So, would you agree that a country would legalize the euthanasia (not as a last option) but somehow as something up to the anyone who would want it ?

[nemafakei]

Euthanasia should not be denied by law. The only sensible reason the 1961 Suicide Act (here) did not allow someone to help someone commit suicide was the thought that it could be very easily be misused - now, we have the capability to make video evidence of every case, which would likely be a necessary area of minimum of proof of willingness.

[Duneguy]

i believe against the legalization of this.. what the hell are those people thinking. there commiting suicide either way, if they really want to die they might as well go into the middle of the ocean an just jump in. no mess for anyone. tell your loved once by and just do it, why the hell would someone want a job of killing someone. why would someone pay to get killed? i mean come on this is ....Blank on a word, u fill it with something really mean..... anyway i think its stupid and shhould not be legalized.. find a better job and the local Wal-Mart...

[Acriku]

While I don't agree with suicide, euthenasia is the cleanest, painless way to "die". And some people really want to help people leave peacefully.

[Phage]

Well when you are dying of an extremely painful disease or cancer over years its kind of hard to just jump out of your wheel chair and into the ocean.

[Terror]

Well, me as a dutch person... I'm totally for Euthanasia. The fact that certain people, no longer CAPABLE of commiting suicide and that nobody is allowed to help her be released from the pain he or she is carrying for so long makes me sick. In the Netherlands there was an old woman, who had severe brain damage and no longer wished to live. So she asked if they could make an end to her misery. But her request was denied and thus she lives still, she can no longer live a normal life, she can hardly move. You could describe her as a static object, only able to stare out of the window, until age finally puts an end to this.

In cases like these, i am glad that euthanasia was legalized

[Dante]

I support it. Need I say more?

[zamboe]

One kind of possible cases you have mentioned guys, when it's about physical problems and are not able to live by themselfs, however what about those that might have a solution or cure for it's problems or have psycological problems, which in the long term would allow them to be better, but they still want to get euthanasia, should they be allowed or not ?

[Inoculator9]

My opinion is, that when people are suffering greatly with little hope of survival, that they have a right to preserve their dignity, and choose euthanasia.

Should a person be of advancing years, and be suffering but have a viable means of curing their ailment, but do not wish to. They have a right aswell. Should the person be of lesser years, I don't believe it would be appropriate to give that person the option.

[Caid Ivik]

What kind of egoistic government rules there? What kind of Mordor arised there, in once a great nation? If I would see a person attempting for suicide, I would do my best to prevent him from it, no matter if he wants or not! The life wasn't his, it was given to him; by God as well as by his parents. If someone's living passively and in horrible pain, then why shouldn't he go to hospic institute? Because death is cheapier for state and family?

[Terror]

One kind of possible cases you have mentioned guys, when it's about physical problems and are not able to live by themselfs, however what about those that might have a solution or cure for it's problems or have psycological problems, which in the long term would allow them to be better, but they still want to get euthanasia, should they be allowed or not ?

in that case, that person is not allowed to make use of euthanasia.

and caid, that is what you think, we don't believe in god, so we also might have different opinions. And if there is a god, than i'm pretty sure that he DOESN'T want people to suffer, and if he does want that, i wonder what kind of god he is! >:(

[IxianMace]

Great points raised here guys. :) IMHO, every person should have a free will to decide whether he/she wants to live or not. Provided they have a valid reason (this is debatable, I know), and are deemed mature enough to understand and make legal decisions, then I feel that people should be entitled to receive access to euthanasia. If you don't want to live, why should you be forced to? Everyone's life is their own, we have a right to live, so why shouldn't we have a right to die?

[Caid Ivik]

Flameweaver, problem of suffering was briliantly described in Book of Job. There should you find the answer. Problem of euthanasia is in thinking about life: some think it is like an error in universe, some think it has some divine purpose. My grandfather is crippled by brain attack for more than 10 years and you think it would be "good" to slaughter him to ease his pain, because he cannot care for himself? Because he is crippled? That reminds me of Hitler's practics...

[zamboe]

I wish no one would need/want euthanasia, but life ain't easy.

My mom works in a center for rehabilitation of people with serious drug and alcohol problems, she took me to see what kind of work was that and I've seen there really screw up people (I am shocked yet), I was told that many of them attempt suicide on a daily basis. After what I saw there I cannot avoid to ask myself about euthanasia.

I mean you have to understand that there are really people with only 0.00001% of chances of rehabilitation (my mom doesn't agree on that btw), all the resources to rehab one single person would be much more helpful to assist other people who WANT help, since others want euthanasia.

I haven't made my opinion yet. Still listenning.

[Acriku]

What kind of egoistic government rules there? What kind of Mordor arised there, in once a great nation? If I would see a person attempting for suicide, I would do my best to prevent him from it, no matter if he wants or not! The life wasn't his, it was given to him; by God as well as by his parents. If someone's living passively and in horrible pain, then why shouldn't he go to hospic institute? Because death is cheapier for state and family?

Some people can't afford an institute, and are forced to live at home without medical care. You would keep these people from killing themselves? You have no right. Their lives are their lives, and if it is better to finish their lives so they don't have to live in so much pain, then so be it. It's religious fanatics like yourself who believe that we are not our own, and that we don't have a say with our own bodies.

[Caid Ivik]

Acriku, if YOU would make your life, then you can do with it anything. Otherwise, not only I have right, but I would say I must preventing you from suicide. Of course, without showing some reason of my act, suspect will try to die again. That reason depends on situation. People with Dust Scout's view on life can not understand this.

[Edric O]

The problem is, what if a person has euthanasia and the next day someone comes up with a treatment that could have saved him/her?

[Terror]

Flameweaver, problem of suffering was briliantly described in Book of Job. There should you find the answer. Problem of euthanasia is in thinking about life: some think it is like an error in universe, some think it has some divine purpose. My grandfather is crippled by brain attack for more than 10 years and you think it would be "good" to slaughter him to ease his pain, because he cannot care for himself? Because he is crippled? That reminds me of Hitler's practics...

do you know what euthanasia is? It is that persons OWN choice. If we take that right from them, i find that inhuman. Letting him suffer for nothing.

[Caid Ivik]

About this is EVERY ONE of my posts here. It IS NOT your right. As you naturally cannot give a birth to yourself, you shouldn't give death to you as well. If you know some person, which is suffering like you described, then try to encourage him.

[Terror]

no it's a gift, but you do not have to accept it...

[Caid Ivik]

Don't you think it may insult the one, who gave you that gift, if you'll destroy it?

[Terror]

do you think that i would feel insulted when a friend of mine gets hurt by a gift i gave? This is the same, god gives the person live so you believe, but the person is so much hurt, that he or she can hardly live, perhaps in constant torment. Would you not be so nice to him then and say, alright you can throw my gift away. Otherwise i think god is a cruel person.

[Caid Ivik]

Motivation of God isn't my business. See Job, if you have questions why He permits evil to this world. But anyway, I don't think mankind would achieve so much with such defetism.

[Terror]

well, i respect your opinion and your belief in God. But because i do not believe in God, i have different opinions on this fact. I know it might not be easy to live with each other when it comes to such matters. But hey... you do not live in the Netherlands, you do not have to worry yet :)

[nemafakei]

"The problem is, what if a person has euthanasia and the next day someone comes up with a treatment that could have saved him/her?"

The probability of which is low, and if the cure did not come, a long, agonising death could be expected. The expected outcome of that course may well be much lower than that of the choice to be euthanased.