Bush's Toll - 3200 and counting

[DukeLeto]

Number of civilians killed in Iraqi War so far: 3200 and counting. And according to an AP spokesperson, that is a "conservative estimate", and the real number is likely to be "much higher, well over 5000". (Source(s): Charleston Gazette, Orlando Sentinel, Daytona Beach News-Journal, other members of the Associated Press)

Three thousand, two hundred innocent civilians.

Over 3200 innocents, meaning military personnel are not included, are dead as a result of Bush's oil grab.

Three thousand, two hundred innocent civilians.

Like I said, this is a conservative estimate, whereas ACELethal's "160 per day" falls somewhere between "excessively liberal" and "completely fictitious". And mine has a link to a source.

Three thousand, two hundred innocent civilians.

Got that yet?

Three thousand, two hundred innocent civilians.

How about now?

This is the cost of Halliburten's oil contract. This is the cost of Bush's powergrab. This is the cost of the Christian Right's crusade against Islam. This is the cost of greedy capitalist oil interests. This is the cost of western conservatism.

3,200 innocent lives. That's the cost.

Three thousand, two hundred innocent civilians.

Think of that next time the subject comes up. Remember the cost.

[Dante]

Sh*t happens. Unfortunately it always happens to the wrong people.

[Dude_Doc]

So, what you are trying to say is that it was better that Saddam killed 160 person PER DAY during his whole dictatorial time, than Bush killing 3200?

[Dude_Doc]

Oh, and don't forget to blame Roosevelt and Churchill during WW2 for killing civilians too!

[GhostHunter]

I totally agree with Doc on this one. Unfortunaly civilians die in warfare and even though I personally believe Iraq was nothing more then a Imperilistic path to domination it is better 3,200 died at once rather then 160 every day for the next 20 years. Further more, it also falls onto the fault of the civilians for not leaving the country until the war is over. This is espically true in the case of Baghdad, where the city was the Republican Gaurds 'Last Stand', if they're using YOUR city as a battleground being a occupational resident at the time is not the most logical of ideas.

[SurlyPIG]

"I would rather sit by and watch Saddam murder 1000 people before Bush's army unintentionally kills one."

~3200 vs ~1,500,000 plus the casualties of the Iran-Iraq war plus the casualties of the Gulf war plus the casualties of this latest war.

If you're a numbers kind of guy, your argument is four hundred and seventy-four times less valid than mine and that doesn't even count the reasons for which those people died.

This post is pathetic. You're bringing shame to even those who share your position.

And you want sources?

http://www.nd.edu/~prinfo/news/2001/10-26z.html

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=5773

[Acriku]

Are you ignoring the mass graves of Muslims of Saddam's doing? Which would you prefer? The continuing of murders by Saddam or the temporary minimal casualties of ridding him?

[SurlyPIG]

No kidding. Dozens of mass graves have been found throughout Iraq since the 'end' of the war that include all kinds of people. Some Iranian soldiers, many filled with prisoners believed to be political enemies, and even one filled entirely with children.

It doesn't even compare. The whole argument is absurd!

[Dunenewt]

Don't forget the gassing of the Kurds

If Iraqi sportsmen wanted to compete in events, they had to sign a peice of paper saying that they would come at least third or else be tortured. The old Iraqi Olympic office was the only one of its kind to have a torture chamber.

*remembers the good old days when DukeLeto was on the Right side*

[SurlyPIG]

Oh I'm sure that's included in the total. The gassing at Halabjah alone was one day and it was well over the civillian casualty total for this war.

[Navaros]

Lives don't mean diddley squat to Bush, he got his Oil. That's all that counts. Remember, the *FIRST* thing the Americans did was secure the Oil fields. Not try to keep civilians safe, not look out for their fellow man. No, they secured the Oil fields FIRST, because Oil is the most important thing in the Universe according to Bush, and everyone/anything else is expendable when Oil is involved.

Bush is exactly like the big fat Baron Harkonnen who will do anything and everything to control the Spice/Oil, even kill his own men/civilians without the slightest care.

[Acriku]

Or because Saddam had them set to explode, causing yet another disaster (learn from mistakes the soldiers did).

[Dante]

At least Saddam didn't pretend he was doing the right thing to anyone but his own people.

[Acriku]

Yes, who cares how many he killed, as long as he told the public what the dilly-o really was.

[Dante]

He may have been a murderer, but at least he never said it was for their own good.

[Acriku]

You can have your opinions on the motives behind his war, but since when does any of that justify him in any way, with which you seem to suggest that it does?

[Dunenewt]

I know this is off-topic but can someone explain why Navaros is back on this site? I suppose it is more interesting when there is an opposition though and its nice to insult someone small and unimportant once in a while :D

The Iraqi Oil is for the Iraqi people and also a British person is to be put in charge of Iraq so if you have any problems on that Nav, you can bring them here.

[Anathema]

Duke, 3200 is actually quite low and what's more, why do you assume that all of those civilians were killed by American troops?

[zamboe]

3200 on personal coalition account, high enough.

And they say "God bless ......", I wonder what God are they talking about.

[Dude_Doc]

Probably the same God when they were at war with Japan and Germany during WW2...

[SurlyPIG]

He may have been a murderer, but at least he never said it was for their own good.

What the devil are you talking about? Of COURSE he said things like that! Any one of his political opposers was suddenly an "infidel, enemy of Iraq, a traitor"

[GhostHunter]

Duke, 3200 is actually quite low and what's more, why do you assume that all of those civilians were killed by American troops?

I totally agree, though I bet most of them were killed by American BOMBS rather then troops busting in and shooting everyone. How can this be a argument people? 160 people a day including CHILDREN for the next 20 YEARS and you complain about 3,200 being killed at ONCE to finally END all the other killing? It's quite absurd.

[SurlyPIG]

Yeah most of them were from stray bombs that landed in the giant human shield called Baghdad. I think the point he was making though was that some of those bombs were British and even Iraqi.

[Ice_Cube]

Surely your not justifying Bushes misguided grab for oil and using the excuse of "has weapons of mass distruction". That surprise, surprise never turned up. Also he used forged intelligence reports and I am sure that you have heard about the fake intelligence report downloaded off the internet. All this and you still think that these weren't excuses to back up their pathetic argument to go in and seise oil? You heard the news when it was going on, they went straight for the oil and contrcts have been sold to oil companies. This is capitalism in its prime and it stinks.

[Dude_Doc]

Surely your not justifying Bushes misguided grab for oil and using the excuse of "has weapons of mass distruction". That surprise, surprise never turned up. Also he used forged intelligence reports and I am sure that you have heard about the fake intelligence report downloaded off the internet. All this and you still think that these weren't excuses to back up their pathetic argument to go in and seise oil? You heard the news when it was going on, they went straight for the oil and contrcts have been sold to oil companies. This is capitalism in its prime and it stinks.

You don't seem to understand. They secured the oil fields first so that the poisonous gas wouldn't spread. How many times do we have to tell you. Oh, and communism isn't much better, I'll tell you that.