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Davidu · June 15, 2003

I was playing around the voice syntetisator of one of my friends yesterday and I typed in "Atreides". Instead of the word "AtreideIs" I'm used to, I've heard "Atreids". Is the program wrong? Maybe, but I've always been very curious. How do you spell it?

Atreides - Atreideis

Atreides - Atreids

SpiceGuid · June 15, 2003

OK, after all you are 18 now,

here is Frank Herbert answer:

http://www.sinanvural.com/seksek/inien/tvd/tvd2.htm

Now you just want the transcripter to be crucified >:(

At least the rest of the interview is quite interesting (you learn from FH that the end of a Dune novel is ejaculatory... :O)

May be Dune is rather self-sufficient and does not really need FH comments...

Davidu · June 16, 2003

That is HUGE! I'll save the page and read it some other time. Thanx anyway.

nemafakei · June 16, 2003

Atreides is the correct spelling.

Going by the usual greek and/or transliterary pronunciation:

A - somewhrere between a as in cat, and u as in cup.

ei - like ay in bay

e - like ai in air, or like ee in cheese.

Davidu · June 16, 2003

So, I've got the correct spelling. Good! 8)

Caid Ivik · June 17, 2003

I have a worse linguistical problem:

YA HIYA CHOUHADA

What kind of weird dialect is this? I would say it should be shaheed (or chahed, shahid), but chouhad? Also plural is shaheedin, not shaheeda. Other thing is bad, very free, translation, but that's other cause.

Davidu · June 17, 2003

Well, I think Frank Herbert invented lots of terms to fit his book. Some of these terms were derived from existent terms, but they were so badly deformed that today they have no foundation. He tried to show how Arab would sound like 14000 years from now.

Jack Leaf · June 17, 2003

The story of the Dune (Dune, not preguels or else) happens in year 10091, if I am not wrong, and now is year 2003...

Davidu · June 17, 2003

Those 10k years are AG (After Guild) The Butlerian Jihad itself was BG (Before Guild). And the Butlerian Jihad took place in year 4000, or something like that.

Jack Leaf · June 17, 2003

Oh, I forgot that. :-

Davidu · June 17, 2003

Nooo problem. That's why this whole thread is here (Duniverse that is)

Andrew · June 18, 2003

Are we talking about spelling of words or pronounciation? (thats what got me kinda confused)

Timenn · June 18, 2003

My way of pronouncing Atreides (the Greek way, yeah :))

A (tr) ei (d) e (s) =>

the a like: father, but then long (aaaaa)

the ei like: English don't have them in their language, but the Dutch know it as 'ei', the Greek as ei

the e like: a in man

after all, it was Agamemnon, Atreides

Davidu · June 18, 2003

That's weird!

Atreidas.

Well, it was king Atreu of Sparta which founded the dynasty.

Tio_Holtzmann · June 18, 2003

Twas Agamemmnon of House Atreus, and if it's the legendary one, he was mycenean i think. Euripides, trojan wars etc. Sorry im a pedant.

But what I wonder about is it actually agamemmnon the ancient greek or agamemmnon the titan? Cause he did do some serious history altering. although that was in the prequels, and leto II did say he knew agamemmnon, so maybe it 's meant to be the ancient greek.

Timenn · June 19, 2003

That's weird!
Atreidas.

Sorry, my mistake. I meant as in man

I think Leto meant Agamemnon the Greek. Because it was him who was the son of Atreus (=Atreides) (Menelaos too actually, but that doesn't matter)

But I think my way of pronouncing it isn't found in any English voice synthesizer

Caid Ivik · June 19, 2003

What does the name Agamemnon mean?

Davidu · June 19, 2003

It might be just a name. What I wonder is why did Frank Herbert name Leto by this name. As I recall, Leto is the name of a godess. A female. Strange...

Vanguard3000 · June 19, 2003

Leto was the daughter of Night (Erebus), and mother of Apollo and Artemis.

nampigai · June 21, 2003

maybe LEto is a name like Kim or Michel(le)

Vanguard3000 · June 21, 2003

Until I learned of it's mythological significance, I always thought it was the masculine form of Lyta.

Davidu · June 22, 2003

One more thing: how do you spell "Tabr".

Is it "Tabir" or "Tabar", or simply "Tabr"?

Vanguard3000 · June 22, 2003

Tabr. Althought the villiage in GEoD is called Tabur.

Caid Ivik · June 23, 2003

It might be just a name. What I wonder is why did Frank Herbert name Leto by this name. As I recall, Leto is the name of a godess. A female. Strange...

In slovak leto means "summer".

Davidu · June 25, 2003

Cool, summer. In Romanian 'summer' is called "vara" like in "varah". So, it has nothing to do with Leto.

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