Vilgent Challenges

[Taqwa11]

LOL. This post is hilarious, guys. There hasn't been this much fun on the forum since . . . well, since Navaros was here. :D

[anklbter8]

All right someone get the creators back here so they can explain what the 3 min rule was supposed to be used for.

[ken124578]

I still remember what they said, i've been around longer then most of the people around here.

On the old emperor boards chris longpre or devenouch answered the under3 min rule, it was originally intended to check the gamespeed (bad coding) so that you woudn't lose any points if the game would be SO laggy that it would take more then an hour before you've even made a scout.

It was originally not intended for this type of abuse (quitting under 3) nor was the disconnection screen intended for disconnection exploits.

Arohk, just because something is made doesn't mean that exploiting it is not cheap and is perfectly legal etc etc etc, just like with those map hacks with warcraft 3 in the beginning eh? or how about the disconnection exploit? what about the invisible airplane exploit?

[Navaros]

ken, do you think there might be any websites which have archived some of the comments of Chris or Dev about this?

i do not agree that stopping rushers with Under 3 is an exploit for all the reasons stated with great detail above. while what you typed does appear as if it could have been written by a WW employee, i wonder if it's not speculation on your part based on some memories of long ago that you aren't remembering exactly correct (it's human nature to not remember everything word for word, or jumble together the words of different Posters when recalling from memory a post from ages ago)

yes you have been there a bit longer than me but I've been there for a long time too and all I've ever observed was that quitting to stop rushers has always been a blazing hot topic and there are tons of die-hards on either side of the fence. (tho on this board I seem to be the last of a dying breed, carrying the torch all by myself... sure wish Duke_Leeeto was still here, he understood ;D) i think that is one of the main reasons why Westwood didn't comment on it directly and took a hands-off attitude about it: because they didn't wanna be drawn in to the backlash that would follow once they upset either mob by taking a position.

again, i could be wrong, but I don't think I am. If Chris were to come to this board and tell me "Westwood believed it is wrong to quit under 3 to stop rushers" then I would accept his answer as valid.

Tho I wouldn't blame him or any WW employee for not commenting at all because of the passionate masses on either side.

[King-Mega]

Hey I will join but be prepared to lose.

:) 8)

[Seal89999]

Alright all this bitching from nav is getting confusing. Who one the game? It seems to me that Vilgent won because Nav quit the game when he was being rushed. No matter what the cause if Nav quit when Vilgent had the upper hand than that is a Victory for Vilgent. I now understand what Vilgent told me about playing nav. I asked him if he won the game or not and he said he won but it dident matter. I asked how come. And he said because nav will find some excuse to get past the defeat and deny it.

BTW did nav get his Navaros account back?

[Navaros]

Vilgent didn't beat me. I quit the game 20 seconds in because Vilgent was moving towards my base. All he killed was a few scouts and snipers.

I invoked the Under 3 Rule at the 20 second mark, as I was fully entitled to do. If Vilgent thinks he "defeated me" by killing about 4 scouts and 3 kamikaze snipers, he has some serious delusions.

[GUNWOUNDS]

HAHAHAHAH ! :D :D

Listen to NAv talk..."I think the Devs wont comment due to the PASSIONATE HOT-BLOODED MASSES" ....yeah right

what??...the whole 6 people who are left playing emperor??..oh yes lets not upset these 6 people.

[Seal89999]

Vilgent didn't beat me. I quit the game 20 seconds in because Vilgent was moving towards my base. All he killed was a few scouts and snipers.

I invoked the Under 3 Rule at the 20 second mark, as I was fully entitled to do. If Vilgent thinks he "defeated me" by killing about 4 scouts and 3 kamikaze snipers, he has some serious delusions.

o yes thats a reason to quit the game..." o darn hes attacking I guess il quit.."

Even if you quit under three that dosent mean that its a stalemate. YOU LOSE! It just dosent record the game. Now that the ladder is gone there is no true need for the under three rule. Only an excuse for newbies and duckers.

Vilgent is victorious!

Nav stop trying to get out of it. Were all sick of your bs. Accept defeat and take it like a real player should. Though I doubt you will cause your a hot head full of excuses and lies.......not that everybody else dident know that.

[Navaros]

Sard Elite you have never beat any good players, ever so I don't even know why I'm bothering to respond to you. I could beat you if I was half-drunk {edit: as evidenced by the fact that you have never ranked in any Emperor Tournaments and hence don't have anywhere close to a semblance of real Emperor experience and also that you vehemently advocate Under 3 rushing at all times so you fall into the boat of the "tier 1 rushers" i've outlined earlier} You and your nonsense can meet my "Block List".

All WOL Rules are valid until such times as Westwood says they are no longer valid. Otherwise, you have no right to go around fabricating BS that Official WOL Rules are no longer valid just because you happen to not like them. The Under 3 Rule has always applied to games accessed via the Custom option just the same as it applied to games via the Quick option and you are not a WOL Official, neither is Gunwounds or anyone else here. You have no authority to claim that Official Rules that you happen to not like are no longer valid just because you don't want them to be.

I can quit Under 3 to invalidate any game played over WOL for any reason under the Sun. Any reason at all. That is the Rule and the rule does not discriminate.

[Seal89999]

How the hell are would you know who i have beaten and who i have not. You dont so stop trying to come back with cheap cockey combacks such as "i could beat you if i was half drunk".... DUHHHHHHHH

Sure you can quit under three....but you still loose. :)

I am not saying what rules are no longer valid anymore, simply pointing out when it is ok and when it is stupid and pointless. Nav I am the one who should not bother to reply to you, block me fine I really could care less but you are the one that is not worth the time because you are just trying to get in the last word and deny reality. You are pissed that I said something against you so you have to come back and say something too. Now im gonna stop because this is becomming a flame war and its gonna get this thread locked.

I will spend no more time arguing with the likes of you.

[Navaros]

I presume the Vilgent challenge is done with seeing as Vilgent is not responding and therefore must not want to proceed with his own challenge so I'm not gonna post in this thread any more unless Vilgent responds, which I don't think he will or he woulda done so already, so I recommend that this thread be locked seeing as it's purpose has been fulfilled.

[GhostHunter]

Sure I'll respond by saying this..

No one is taking your side, Navaros.

You lost fair and square, get use to rushing or as Gob said don't even play.

Think of it as your victory if you want even though I WON and EVERYONE is siding with me because EVERYONE knows rushing is Emperor and have adapted to the situation. You on the other hand have not and lost fair and square, the 3 minute rule was instituted solely for lag, so stop contradicting yourself, shut up and sit down. Your really getting annoying, face it, Navaros, you've been smashed by a Elite Superior Atreides, sit down and be quite.

[Navaros]

Vilgent, you can take your Delusions and shove them. You never beat me. You knew the Under 3 Rule was in effect and that I use it whenever I see fit. You know that it's very unlikely you'd have any hope in Hell of beating me in a real game, which is why you refuse to wait a piddly 3 minutes before using your "elite skills" to beat me.

This whole "challenge" was a farce. You knew from the moment I insisted the Under 3 Rule be in effect in this thread that I would quit on you Under 3 and invalidate the game if you tried any lame rushing. So you used this "challenege" as a facade to disguise the fact that you can't really beat me 1on1, so instead you will rush me 20 seconds after the game starts at which point I quit, when all you have killed is scouts and snipers: and call that a "Victory".

I was never dishonest with you. However, you were dishonest with me. You never intended to play a real game vs. me. It is shameful that you would partake in a charade like this in an underhanded scheme to try to claim a false Win against me. A Win which you have not earned. A Win which never occurred.

That's it then. I am done with this thread. I used an Official Rule to invalidate the "game" --- which btw was not *even* a "game" --- as I had every right to, and you even *AGREED* to the Under 3 Rule being in effect before we played the game. I will not humor your hypocrisy any longer. *You* are the one who is not Man enough to face me in a real game; you know full-well that by waiting just 3 short minutes before attacking me will result in your almost-guranteed Loss.

You knew *exactly* what I'd do the moment the game started. Right before the game, I reminded you that the Under 3 Rule was in effect in that very room! Bottom line: you understood and accepted the Terms I set out, then you realize you can't beat me, so attempt a pathetic "cop-out" whereby you don't have to play me yet still make ludicrous claims that you "Won".

On a final note: it is IRRELEVANT what "most people" think. I abided by all the Terms and Conditions that we both agreed to and according to those Terms we never played a valid game. Those were our Terms, those are the WOL Rules, and it's irrelevant how many people do or do not agree with you. What you did was wrong and pathetic.

Welcome to my Block List, Vilgent.

[GhostHunter]

Funny how your snipers actually launched the first technical offensive and I moved to the middle rock for better defense against further provoked assualts..

[Seal89999]

I also find it funny how Nav thinks he is punishing us or making us feel bad by placing us on his block list. O im sad no , nav blocked me. I feel so bad that he cant see what I post anymore....Boo hoo..... :'(

:P right............

And Nav also admits he has nothing agains rushes and then sais since Vilgent rushes that its not a valid game. Its like saying in a duel..."ok give me your gun, use your finger and if you win you win" LMFAO that would be what nav would say anyway.

Hes saying that it wasent a defeat because he quit....well as I last recall quitting is loosing. You surrender and the other person is still willing to play. If you quit because you get rushed than it is YOUR LOSE! not a stalemate. Navaros and Vilgent started a game. It lasted the blink of an eye but Navaros quit the game when Vilgent rushed. Vilgent remained. Vilgent is victorious!

Congradulations man.......

[anklbter8]

Hmm yes let me see you said he was moving his troops to the middle of the map. Vilgent killed some snipers from there. Now if you don't move your troops from your base in 3 min then how did your snipers get out on the map? I guess that would be considered an offensive move therefore with your attack that negates the fact that He supposedly rushed you. Now because his troops were in the middle of the map that is considered a rush, huh, I would have thought that they would have to be in your base to be rushed. Since he wasn't in your base and you quit then you quit not of being rushed but from fear of losing. Just pathetic. Take the loss. I have played Vilgent honorably in a tournament and am proud to say he kicked my ass. An honorable player would not quit.

[GUNWOUNDS]

Do not believe Nav when he says you are on his block list...

the block list is the biggest crock ever....

if someone doesnt like you.. and they see you posting messages...

they will be so damn curious as to what you wrote.... that they will take you off block mode just to see what you wrote.

you see when you have someone on blockmode their post still shows up.. but it has a censor bar over the text.

you dont think they are gonna wanna know what is under that censor bar??.. yes they are.. so when someone says you are on a blocklist.. they are lying. I am supposedly on navs blocklist yets he still replies to everything i write.

haha... block list.. what a joke

[Seal89999]

Do not believe Nav when he says you are on his block list...

the block list is the biggest crock ever....

if someone doesnt like you.. and they see you posting messages...

they will be so damn curious as to what you wrote.... that they will take you off block mode just to see what you wrote.

you see when you have someone on blockmode their post still shows up.. but it has a censor bar over the text.

you dont think they are gonna wanna know what is under that censor bar??.. yes they are.. so when someone says you are on a blocklist.. they are lying. I am supposedly on navs blocklist yets he still replies to everything i wirte.

haha... block list.. what a joke

LOL that is so true GUNWOUNDS. Plus I doubt that the block list is big enough for all the people he threatens to put on his block list. LMAO ;D ahhhhhhhh yes! :)

[Seal89999]

Quote from Arohk:

"I could beat you if I was half-drunk {edit: as evidenced by the fact that you have never ranked in any Emperor Tournaments and hence don't have anywhere close to a semblance of real Emperor experience "

One last thing nav ,Just cause I dident play QM dosent mean im not a good player. Stop trying to show off and make your self look all big with your cockey remarks. Who made you the person to determine the real Emperor experience?

[GUNWOUNDS]

I am going to lay off beating Nav with my big stick because he already has his just punishment..

Want to know what it is??...........read below..

No one will play with him.

Everytime i am in the lobby i see Navs rooms there...empty.

I once was in there (under a diff nick) to see why people were going in and out of his room.... well time passed by and every person who came in there called him and his settings .."stupid and noobish" and promptly left.

I found this hilarious.. he himself became enraged.. kicking innocent people out of his room for no reason pitching a fit... and then broke down asking why people didnt like him or his setts.

If you think about it.. Nav is already being punished for his attitude towards others... and his horrid playstyle.

His punishment is that he spends hours in the lobby all alone with no one to play with.

[Taqwa11]

Really? I think I'm gonna shed some more tears. :'( :'( :'( :'(

[sarb]

I personally love it when I get RUSHED this why I play RTS games.If I lose under the sall called 3 minute rule (which doesnt matter any more)so let lt be,the person that beat me out played me I accept that. This game would be boring if there wasnt so much action from the start,it comes down to he who owns the spice will win the game plain and simple.This is why elite47 is a very good player he knows when to start attacking and if you turtle he will simply kill your spice.

Nav this why no one likes you

1 You cant handle LOSING

2 You whine more then all my girlfriends put together

3 Well lets see umm yep Your still our NUMBER1 pussy ganster

4 You still go on about pathfinding bugs

5 Your still here

Have a nice day

Sarbuakar

[Navaros]

I personally love it when I get RUSHED this why I play RTS games.If I lose under the sall called 3 minute rule (which doesnt matter any more)so let lt be,the person that beat me out played me I accept that. This game would be boring if there wasnt so much action from the start,it comes down to he who owns the spice will win the game plain and simple.This is why elite47 is a very good player he knows when to start attacking and if you turtle he will simply kill your spice.

Nav this why no one likes you

1 You cant handle LOSING

2 You whine more then all my girlfriends put together

3 Well lets see umm yep Your still our NUMBER1 pussy ganster

4 You still go on about pathfinding bugs

5 Your still here

Have a nice day

Sarbuakar

I'll respond point by point, since I love you so much and at least you're not a skill-less n00b nobody like almost all of the flamers yapping endless nonsense about me in this thread. I do at least respect your skill because you have some, but:

1. You're right in that I can't handle losing to things that should not be causing a loss such as pathfinding bugs which Westwood has documented that they wanted to be corrected in the Patch README Files which we all have, yet failed to correct. Besides, I'm not used to losing considering that I win over 90% of all games that I ever play. You must be very used to losing because you don't have the fortitude or courage to be a real man and quit under 3 even though your House, ATR, is fundamentally weaker than both others by a *huge* margin at the start. I suppose that if I was too cowardly to quit under 3 when it makes sense to do so, I might handle losing better because I'd be more used to losing, as you are. But since I do have the courage and pride to use all legal tactics and Rules whenever they are in my best interest, as *any* good RTS player would do, by the way, I'd rather remain a Winner and not be able to "handle" losing as well as you and everyone else who is so use to losing on a regular basis.

2. Yes, I do whine and that's a legit reason to not like me so I won't dispute you on that point.

3. Fascinating how someone of that title beat you in the last QM we ever played vs. each other.

4. When EA fixes the bugs, I'll stop going on about them. They are still there, they still ruin gameplay just the same as they always have, therefore it's only logical that I'd still go on about them. If you read a bit of my brilliant posts earlier in this thread, you'd realize that I consider only two things which should determine the Winner of an RTS in a FAIR contest: micro, and diversity of strat. Pathfinding does not fit into that equation so if my game is ruined due to bugs that Westwood tried to fix, yet failed to, that is not a fair contest, there's nothing "strategic" about it, and it makes all the sense in the world for me to go on about that.

5. The irony is delicious. During my first months at the old Westwood boards, you praised my eagerness to learn, were glad to help me, and made a comment to the effect of "I think he's gonna be around for a long, long time". Note: you said that in an extremely friendly context. Now here we are, almost a couple of years later, and I have fulfilled your prophecy yet the context is no longer friendly.

Nonetheless, I respect your skill and do appreciate the bit of help you gave me when I first started, although Thoxen was much, much more helpful as a Mentor.

To you, Sarbaukar, I wish a nice day as well. To everyone else posting in this thread recently except for Gob, ken, and dj: y'all already know what I wish for you.

[JB]

<sarcasm>

Nav/Arokh/whatever, can I be on your blocklist, please? :-*

It seems that all serious and skilled emp players are on that list, so to escape out of newbieism as fast as possible (and with no effort at all :) ) this seems a good method.

</sarcasm>

<serious>

You really are a loser...

</serious>

-JB