Sound Familiar America?

[Birdfolly]

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all,

it's the leaders of the country who determine policy,

and it's always a simple matter to drag the people

along whether it's a democracy, a fascist

dictatorship, or a parliament or a communist

dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always

be brought to the bidding of their leaders. That is

easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being

attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of

patriotism, and exposing the country to greater

danger."

----- Hermann Goering to Gustave Gilbert, as quoted in

Nuremburg Diary

[emprworm]

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all,

it's the leaders of the country who determine policy,

and it's always a simple matter to drag the people

along whether it's a democracy, a fascist

dictatorship, or a parliament or a communist

dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always

be brought to the bidding of their leaders. That is

easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being

attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of

patriotism, and exposing the country to greater

danger."

----- Hermann Goering to Gustave Gilbert, as quoted in

Nuremburg Diary

sounds like something that a liar, a scoundrel, and a loser would say. THese are the reasonings of a maniac. ANyone who says something like that and agrees with it is a distorted, irrational, immoral warped individual not to be trusted. Someone who AGREES with that statement and thinks it applies to a country like America....is in agreement with the manaic that conceived it, and is also warped and brainwashed.

[Birdfolly]

sounds like something that a liar, a scoundrel, and a loser would say. THese are the reasonings of a maniac. ANyone who says something like that and agrees with it is a distorted, irrational, immoral warped individual not to be trusted. Someone who AGREES with that statement and thinks it applies to a country like America....is in agreement with the manaic that conceived it, and is also warped and brainwashed.

Are you going to explain yourself at all or just make accusations and call names?

The person who said this WAS a loser. I thought that went without saying. The Nazi's had just lost the war that a madman led them into.

I just think that, if you look at what he said, it sounds a lot like the way the administration and media reacted to anyone who didn't agree with this war with Iraq. Thus, doesn't this sound familiar? Never mind Emp.

[Acriku]

I don't think empr can, or ever has for that matter.

This quote is very familiar - it is exactly what Bush did. He manipulated people into exaggerating this threat into something real and tangible enough to stir up our fears of getting attacked again.

[emprworm]

I don't think empr can, or ever has for that matter.

This quote is very familiar - it is exactly what Bush did. He manipulated people into exaggerating this threat into something real and tangible enough to stir up our fears of getting attacked again.

uhhh..if you are so easily brainwashed, Acriku, then I pity you. Bush did not stir up anything in me. I have wanted HUssein taken down for more than 10 years.

And right now, at this moment: I want to take out the following regimes: Saudi Arabia, Syrria, North Korea.

I would support force against those governments any time, any day- whether done by the US or not. Speeches by Bush not required.

if your brain is so mushy that Bush sways you like fluffy cotton fields in a mountain breeze, then that is your problem.

[Acriku]

It doesn't matter that you weren't stirred up, many of the people were when he gave his speeches. Bush-lovers praised him for protecting them. But this is exactly what Bush did, you cannot deny that.

[Anathema]

Well Acriku I know I disagree with you a lot but at least you see things a bit more scepticm then some other people on this site. Bravo ;)

[emprworm]

oh like Clinton stirred up mindless democrats a bazillion times?

Generally, republicans are more educated than democrats. They are less likely to be brainwashed and swayed like a puffy cloud. republicans already agreed with him A PRIORI to his "sways". the only people BuUsh would have swayed are those in the democratic side that became pro-war. and that is a good thing (not hard to sway already uneducated democrats)

[Birdfolly]

I'll agree with that. Democrats are as mushy and slimy as they come. (their politicians that is, their constituents come in all shapes and sizes)

[Davidu]

All politicians are like that...

[Nyarlathotep]

And right now, at this moment: I want to take out the following regimes: Saudi Arabia, Syrria, North Korea.

I would support force against those governments any time, any day- whether done by the US or not. Speeches by Bush not required.

I can understand NK (If I were you I mean), I have my doubts about Syrria, but why Saudi Arabia ? Wern't they your allies in the Gulfwar ?

[Gobalopper]

emprworm would like to see anyone that doesn't support the US 100% removed. ;)

[GhostHunter]

And hes got that assualt rifle so I'm not going to put my spot on the member map ;D

[DukeLeto]

republicans already agreed with him A PRIORI to his "sways". the only people BuUsh would have swayed are those in the democratic side that became pro-war. and that is a good thing (not hard to sway already uneducated democrats)

You're absolutely right. All republican's are already vicious warmongers. ::)

Anyways, allow me to dumb this down for you, Empreorm:

Pollster: Do you all support the war?

Man #1: Yes.

Pollster: Good man.

Man #2: Yes.

Pollster: Nice, patriotic American we have here.

Man #3: No, I do not entirely support Bush's ploicy towards Iraq...

Pollster: UNPATRIOTIC TERRORIST-SUPPORTER! YOU HATE THE TROOPS! HITLER-LOVING QUEER!

Get it now? ::)

[Scrinlord]

All politicians are like that...

ya, but democrats especially

[Dante]

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all,

it's the leaders of the country who determine policy,

and it's always a simple matter to drag the people

along whether it's a democracy, a fascist

dictatorship, or a parliament or a communist

dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always

be brought to the bidding of their leaders. That is

easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being

attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of

patriotism, and exposing the country to greater

danger."

----- Hermann Goering to Gustave Gilbert, as quoted in

Nuremburg Diary

Sounds like sound reasoning to me. Whether or not it is morally acceptible or not is immaterial. The fact it it works As has been proven a number of times. Britain: WW1. Germany: WW2. America: Cold War, WW2, Vietnam, All three of the 'recent' wars (Gulf, Terrorism and Saddam). It works.

[Birdfolly]

It is sound reasoning for the leaders who employ this tactic. And yes, it does work. The problem is it's not remotely democratic and it leads to wars that have no good reason(but for lining pockets of the elites, who by the way, never have to but their own butts on the line).

[emprworm]

emprworm would like to see anyone that doesn't support the US 100% removed. ;)

no. only Saudi Arabia, Syrria and North Korea.

surprisingly, I do not want to take out France (tempting though)...so no, this theory doesn't hold up. ;)

[DukeLeto]

He just wants places with a lot of oil, like Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iraq... ;)

[emprworm]

i wanted afghanistan too, but they don't have any oil. same with North Korea. looks like your Clinton-warped Hillary implanted theory is wrong. (no surprise there)

[Davidu]

I wonder what emprworm will do if he would be elected president of the US? Conquer half the world and the other half would have to be something like UK to the US... Well, that's democratic and peaceful!

[Birdfolly]

Well, he couldn't be much more aggresive and radical than the current American crew. They already enacted the whole "pre-emptive war" doctrine which goes against everything the UN was supposed to stand for.

Emp would give them a good run for their money though ;)

[Davidu]

I'm amazed how this guy supports the guv, no matter what guvernement ( of the US of course).

He's kind of a fanatic... I mean a patriot would like to see his country's values preserved, his country running well, but this guy wants to make the whole Earth a big, huge America.

[Warlord Ripskar]

Of course there was a hard core of extremist racist bigots in Germany before the Nazis came to power who held their views without government propaganda. Indeed it was that group which made up the bulk of the Waffen SS and committed most of the attrocities of the Third Reich.

[DukeLeto]

i wanted afghanistan too, but they don't have any oil. same with North Korea. looks like your Clinton-warped Hillary implanted theory is wrong. (no surprise there)

What the h*ll does Clinton have to do with ANYTHING in this topic? ::) And nothing any Democrat can EVER do will come NEAR Watergate or Iran-Contra, so shove it in your ear! >:(

Anyways, I would frankly trust Kim Jong Il will all the nukes in the world before I would trust you with one. ::)