Edrico, which type of communism do you support?

Sneakgab · March 28, 2003

I was just wondering

I assume it's probably communism or socialism...

SurlyPIG · March 28, 2003

...Just look at the flag in the bottom of his sig, it should answer your question...

Egeides · March 28, 2003

ACE: He answered this question about the flag and confirmed he wasn't pro-soviet.

DukeLeto · March 29, 2003

Well, I'M socialist, but I can't speak for Edric.

SurlyPIG · March 29, 2003

Why wave the Soviet flag if you aren't pro-Soviet?

Dude_Doc · March 29, 2003

Well, I think Edric would put it this way: "I love socialism and communism, but I detest what the Soviet Union did (consentration camps, KGB etc). I use the flag because Lenin invented it and the flag stands for true communism".

Something like that.

ordos45 · March 29, 2003

I agree with Dude_Doc that that its probably what he'd say. As for information on what type of Communism he believes in...read the Communist Manifesto.

I think a link to where to find it is http://www.marxists.org

SurlyPIG · March 29, 2003

Well now the flag stands for the opression and suffering caused by the Communists of the USSR. Meanings change. Many Black Americans now despise the Confederate flag, even though it originally represented the South in general.

Egeides · March 29, 2003

I think any flag or symbol, whatever it is, really will have different significations for many. So I don't think someone should refuse or accept for what it looks like for others, but for what it looks like for himself.

It's like the night. I'm sure for many it represented evil, bad, hidden. Who cares... for me it's the calm, special, curiosity, intellect.

Edric O · March 29, 2003

Well, I think Edric would put it this way: "I love socialism and communism, but I detest what the Soviet Union did (consentration camps, KGB etc). I use the flag because Lenin invented it and the flag stands for true communism".

^ See above. Dude_Doc is absolutely correct. I support communism as theorized by Marx, minus all his anti-religious ideas. (I can't figure out what religion has to do with politics and economics in the first place...)

As for the flag in my sig, I already explained it. It stands for the true ideals of communism, the ones supported by Marx and Lenin. NOT Stalin's abomination of it.

That's what it means to me. It might mean something else to other people (like Ace), but the flag is in my sig, not theirs.

SurlyPIG · March 29, 2003

Bah, Lenin was an opressive dictator and a hypocrit. I can see Marxism but communism is utter inhumanity. Try waving one of those things in the Ukraine.

Do what you want to but when I see that thing I see that thing I see an enemy that must be stopped.

Davidu · March 29, 2003

Hey, what happaned with all the images from the bottom of (almost) every post? My mug's gone! >:(

DukeLeto · March 29, 2003

Well that was certainly off topic. :P

Try the Site Updates thread.

Edric O · March 30, 2003

Ace, communism (as in true communism, not a stalinist or maoist dictatorship) is the same thing as marxism. The two words are (or should be) synonimous.

Any dictatorship is inhumane - Stalin's included. But no one in his right mind would support that kind of thing, so I don't see your problem.

nemafakei · March 30, 2003

Perhaps, Edric, you would like to expand on your interpretation of Marx's ideas. Few things indeed cannot be improved upon, let alone seem to be improvable.

SurlyPIG · March 30, 2003

Ace, communism (as in true communism, not a stalinist or maoist dictatorship) is the same thing as marxism. The two words are (or should be) synonimous.

I was taught in school that the term 'Communist' refers to a person of the Bolshevik party in pre-Soviet Russia. Of the Marxists under the Tsars, there were two splits of people; ones that believed that Marxism should be brought in through force (Bolshevik) and ones that believed it would and should occur naturally because it is the correct thing to do (Menshevik). The Bolsheviks (Bolshevik = Russian for majority) outnumbered the Mensheviks (Mensheviks = Russian for Minority) by one person. That's right, one. In the last display of true Marxism, the leaders of this Marxist political party put the implementation system to a vote, and the revolutionaries won out by a single tally. Thus the fate of the largest nation in the world was decided.

Any dictatorship is inhumane - Stalin's included. But no one in his right mind would support that kind of thing, so I don't see your problem.

I agree, I had thought you were fond of Lenin (other topic) and the Soviets, but I no longer see the Soviet flag in your sig, so I have no problem. :)

Egeides · March 31, 2003

ACE, seeing your reaction to his sig, I was curious: what do you think about movements like anarchism? Also, do you know them?

Edric O · March 31, 2003

I was taught in school that the term 'Communist' refers to a person of the Bolshevik party in pre-Soviet Russia. [...]

Well, that explains your reaction. :) However, what you were taught is completely false. The term "communism" was first used by Karl Marx himself, some 70 years before the Russian Revolution, to refer to the political movement that he initiated, as opposed to capitalism (few people realize this, but the term "capitalism" was invented by Marx as well). Marx and Engels wrote the Communist Manifesto in 1848, and that is where "communism" was first defined.

In Russia, both the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks were communist. The Bolsheviks, lead by Vladimir Lenin, were the radicals. The Mensheviks, lead by Alexander Kerensky, were more moderate. The Bolsheviks had the support of the vast majority of the Russian people because they wanted to pull Russia out of the war. The Mensheviks, on the other hand, had the support of the western powers, because they wanted to keep Russia in the war.

After the Revolution, Kerensky fled to the United States...

I agree, I had thought you were fond of Lenin (other topic) and the Soviets, but I no longer see the Soviet flag in your sig, so I have no problem. :)

Actually, the flag is gone because of a forum bug, and I'm trying to fix it. ;D

But you're right - it's far too Soviet. Maybe I should try to find something else...

Caid Ivik · March 31, 2003

Kerenskij was a social democrat, not radical communist like Lenin. He was trying to make a democratic elections, just bolshevik revolution caused they were manipulated.

Edric O · March 31, 2003

LOL, yeah, sure, democratic elections... And Saddam had democratic elections too. ::)

Caid Ivik · March 31, 2003

Lenin made one too ::)

Davidu · March 31, 2003

Real elections... C'mon! Be serious... no real elections have ever been made under any regime...

Frodo · March 31, 2003

heh, in a dictatorship you can vote for the leader, but they are the only one on the ballot.

SurlyPIG · April 1, 2003

Nonetheless, Edric, the Bolsheviks changed their name to the Communist Party after taking control of the country. And wasn't Alexander Kirenski the leader of the provisional government?

Marx's original use of the word is dead to me. Perhaps not in the word 'communism' but when I hear communist, I think Lenin, Stalin, Kruschev, Brezhnev and everyone up to Gorbachev (yeah I know I can't spell Russian names)

ordos45 · April 1, 2003

Kerenski was the leader of the provisional government. *nods*

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