Pronounciation

Tio_Holtzmann · January 26, 2003

This is either going to sound like the pickiest subject in the history of the forum, or either that someone else has done this already, but here goes anyway....

In Frank Herbert's books and Brian Herbert's books, I notice some spelling differences.

Question: Kaitan (Frank) or Kaitain (Brian)

OR: Axlotl (Frank) or Axolotl (Brian).

Which do you think is right/better?

Yes, you're right: I am a total pedant.

Andrew · January 26, 2003

frank herbert all the way!

Dunenewt · January 26, 2003

Axolotl as it is a newt which doesn't fully develope ie it stays as an eft

Vanguard3000 · January 26, 2003

There is no mention of the planet Kaitain in the original books. In the Lynch movie (somewhat influenced by Frank) it's called Kaitain.

TMA_1 · January 26, 2003

Vanguard is right all the way. Kaitain is never mentioned. As a matter of fact, It talks about Farad'n being raised on salusa secondus and tought for a while by shaddam. Shaddam hoped that he could rebuild the sardaukar. I question, could salusa actually always have been the emperial home?

Inoculator9 · January 26, 2003

For those two things, it's Frank Herbert's way.

Vanguard3000 · January 26, 2003

I wouldn't bet on it. Throughout Dune, S.S. is known as a prison world - no place for an Emperor. Also, At the end of Dune, Paul forces him to live on S.S. in exile. Of course, this could simply mean he can't attend meeting on other worlds or party hardy at Gamont or anything.

I suppose it's possible, but I doubt it.

TMA_1 · January 27, 2003

your probably right vanguard. just a random thought anyway. In general though, the reason why it is mentioned is because it isnt important where he is. Brian and Kevin focused too much on little details that were irrelavent to the story as a whole. They turned it into a startrek. Where all over the galaxy, trouble spots were occuring, houses were feuding. Of course there were house feuds, but how they show it is kinda fake. Also how shaddam acts upon things. He is looked upon as way too pompus and ignorant than he should be. He does things that owuld have gotten him removed from his seat of power in the blink of an eye. just too scatterbrained and not enough intregue and intelligent cold wars.

Mahdi · January 27, 2003

And Fenring, what a butchering of his character....

Tio_Holtzmann · January 27, 2003

Ok, some points:

I was wrong about one of the words: Axolotl is Frank's word and Axlotl is Brian's word (DOH!)

I'm fairly sure, I could be wrong on this, but I think I remember the planet being referred to as Kaitan in the appendices in Dune.

Salusa Secundus was an ironic choice for the Corrino's exile, it was the Imperial capital in Legends before being nuked by that mysterious renegade family.....

And I've often thought that Herbert Jnr and Anderson were too picky about their subject matter, but have you read the appendices in Dune? That's picky. There's about 50 words in the lexicon at the back for words which appear in the appendices only. A lot of what Herbert Jnr and Anderson write about is stuff mentioned in the appendices by Herbert Snr. For example, it mentions the fact that Fenring poisoned Elrood IX, that Shaddam married Anirul, a Bene Gesserit of Hidden Rank, that the Ginaz Swordsmasters were attacked by the Grummans. I think they actually drew a lot of their source material from Frank Herbert, but they can't capture the highly-intense intellectual philosophical atmosphere.

Caid Ivik · January 28, 2003

What is better adjective: tleilaxan or tleilaxu? Isn't Tleilaxu nominative?

Vanguard3000 · January 28, 2003

I've never heard Tleilaxan. It's Tleilaxu (NOT Bene Tleilaxu though - Bene Tleilax).

Caid Ivik · January 29, 2003

In slovak was used adjective "tleilaxansky".

Colonel_Worf · January 30, 2003

It's never spelled Axolotl.

Tio_Holtzmann · January 30, 2003

frank herbert spells it axolotl all the way through his books. tleilaxan is never used in the english version.

I think star trek ripped off dune slightly cause there's a race mentioned sometimes in voyager called the talaxians. grrrrr.....

Colonel_Worf · January 30, 2003

One of the main characters is Talaxian actually... :D

Anyway, it's spelled Axolotl in Frank's books? In English versions?

Vanguard3000 · January 30, 2003

One of the main characters is Talaxian actually... :D
Anyway, it's spelled Axolotl in Frank's books? In English versions?

That's the annoying, rooster-headed guy (i.e. wierd hair), right?

Anyway, it's Axolotl in Frank's books.

Caid Ivik · January 31, 2003

Axolotl is a kind of an exotic lizard I think...

Vanguard3000 · January 31, 2003

An Axolotl is a North American (primarily Mexican) amphibian, which retains external gills, and breeds in a larval state.

I was talking about the Star Trek guy though.

TMA_1 · January 31, 2003

neelix... *shivers* lol

Colonel_Worf · February 1, 2003

Leola Root Stew... mmmm mmm.

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