rogue1896 Posted January 24, 2003 Author Posted January 24, 2003 god this is offtopic. this isn't about the landsaad itself people. i just wanted to konw what kind of traits or characteristics you guys are looking for. sheesh.
Dunenewt Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 I mean't you were desperate to get a better position -not that you spam
Cyborg Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 Yes and you have got your answer i think, along with the answer that gob just gave you.
emprworm Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 well that may have been why it was created, but that is not what it is now. since the landsraad control their membership (a permissive power given to them by Gob), they basically determine what it is, and it is no longer what Gob created it for in the beginning, in my opinion.
Terror Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 well to the extent of my knowledge noone hates me here. except for maybe flameweaver for kicking him. ;)heh this post is off topic, and it's not intended to be replied upon, however.. i would like to say thisvicious i do not hate you. I like you at least like any other dune2k member, maybe even more... but i'll not say that (so you might feel better :P ) . Ofcourse you didn't meant what you said (right? ;) ) but i just wanted to say this...ok go on.
Gobalopper Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 How has it changed? It was created for friends to talk, we still talk, we're still friends...
Gobalopper Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 Different? As in there is no more spam and offtopic posts?
emprworm Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 because it is seen by many in the community as a status symbol. I guess from an administrators perspective it is hard to see it like this, but even looking at the topic of this thread it is about
Terror Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 ok people. i think we all have our answers now.... the landsraad decides.... If one member of the landsraad prefers someone to become a member also, it does not directly mean it WILL become a member, cuz if other people vote against, it will not.To me, i do not realy care if i get landsraad, ichwan bedwine or whatever, i'm fine with being master naib right now
quoudam72 Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 we are then told there is some sort of criteria for it, and a process upon which people can enter this 'circle of friends' group. i reviewed the criteria, and found that many people (specifically earthnuker) are well deserving (in my opinion) of the position, but are denied month after month. I then made a simple protest...it really wasn't a big deal either. That is just it Emprworm you and you alone but you will not understand. Maybe the one thing that could get Earthnuker in has not been shown that we all in Landsraad could agree with and why the 'vote' is in place. We do not have to tell you anything. read the subject header again and think about what it says but you still will not understand Emprworm
Gobalopper Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 So what? People have misconceptions. What those people should do is contact someone who is in charge... I don't know maybe the administrator? Ask that person in charge what exactly was happening and then find out the answer. Instead they look like a fool making a big deal out of nothing.
emprworm Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 well, ultimately this whole forum is really nothing in the grand scheme of thingsPeople want avatars. Is it really a big deal? No, yet somehow, it has importance. We debate over crazy subjects that really are no big deal, yet we debate anyway. The landsraad is no different. Is it really a big deal whether or not you are landsraad? No. I can pick a random thread in this forum... like this onenow, is that thread really a big deal? no...it lies buried in the archives probably to never be read again...yet still people poured their energy into it. For what reason? Obviosly, in some way, it mattered to them. I do not think its fair just to say that expressing opinions on the landsraad is "making a fool out of yourself" any more than it would be for anyone in here to post a new thread, make an avatar, vote in a poll, make up a fictional story, etc. none of it really matters, true, yet i dont think anyone is foolish for doing so.
Gobalopper Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 emprworm in the past if you've had a problem you've always sent me a message about it and I've always replied back to you explaining things. Why suddenly did you decide to post a rant about the Landsraad when you didn't have a clue how it worked or why it existed?I have no problem with people stating an opinion but I would hope they were at least informed on the subject they were complaining about.
Nyarlathotep Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 Emp, no one ever stated that stating an opinion is making a fool of yourself. Unfortunately, we're going off topic here again in someone elses thread. If you'd wish to discuss things further, please use IM and I'll be happy to explain you everything.
quoudam72 Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 Emprworm for all that you know and you are a very knowledgable person (that is a form of respect that I am giving you even if you are being a j*****s at the moment) the one thing that you need to know about you know nothing about it.
emprworm Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 because the landsraad is a group of people, all former peers of us vagabonds. it would be too hard to email all of them. and its not like I have a "private message board" that only the landsraad can see. lol, so I did the only thing I had access to: message them in general.i want to know why a these guys would vote null over earthnuker for all these months. seriously. i know its probably not the wisest move to voice disconent with the Landsraad since that could be equivocated to voicing discontent with the staff, but I perceived a corrupt process. As you say, I do not know how it works behind the scenes, yet I can only express what I see. I posted a message expressing the concern "hey guys, this is the message you are sending. Please explain this to me so that my perception can be corrected because I'm not liking what I see here". My perception could have been wrong, and the public message allowed people to clear it up. No one cleared it up. There is still no answer to my original concern why earth gets passed over for The Staple, or why anyone would ever vote for The Staple for that matter, save for the reason they want to keep people out. But like you said, I'm just a fool for having this perception right? Well, so be it, I cannot ask anyone to change their opinions about me.
Gobalopper Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 Normally what would happen is that it would come down to one person and the stapler. I believe Nyar mentioned this at some point but we have multiple rounds if no one gets 50% or more. So basically Earthnuker would not have enough to make it to the next round leaving the no one option and someone else. I think Earthnuker had the highest percent once in a first round vote but that doesn't matter if you don't get above 50%.Normally in the first round people vote for whoever they want initially and then make the final decision in the later rounds as their original vote may not be around. If they don't like the person they would vote for the add no one option or another person. This happened a few times which is why someone like Earthnuker hasn't been added. He will be added soon I suspect as he has come really close a number of times.
Nyarlathotep Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 because the landsraad is a group of people, all former peers of us vagabonds. it would be too hard to email all of them. and its not like I have a "private message board" that only the landsraad can see. lol, so I did the only thing I had access to: message them in general.i want to know why a these guys would vote null over earthnuker for all these months. seriously. i know its probably not the wisest move to voice disconent with the Landsraad since that could be equivocated to voicing discontent with the staff, but I perceived a corrupt process. As you say, I do not know how it works behind the scenes, yet I can only express what I see. I posted a message expressing the concern "hey guys, this is the message you are sending. Please explain this to me so that my perception can be corrected because I'm not liking what I see here". My perception could have been wrong, and the public message allowed people to clear it up. No one cleared it up. There is still no answer to my original concern why earth gets passed over for The Staple, or why anyone would ever vote for The Staple for that matter, save for the reason they want to keep people out. But like you said, I'm just a fool for having this perception right? Well, so be it, I cannot ask anyone to change their opinions about me.You still wish to go off topic in someone elses thread, eventhough an IM discussion was offered ? Suits me fine. What you post above is not what you stated previously. Don't shift your opinion as the way you see fit. Please stick to your first rant you started. Thank you.
quoudam72 Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 Well, so be it, I cannot ask anyone to change their opinions about me."Only by your actions can people then begin to think anew of you." ;)
emprworm Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 Emprworm for all that you know and you are a very knowledgable person (that is a form of respect that I am giving you even if you are being a j*****s at the moment) the one thing that you need to know about you know nothing about it. well, Quondam, I understand your spite against me, though I hold nothing personal against you, I will mention that more than one person has voiced sympathetic agreement with me. I enjoyed Zamboe's observation that a large chunk of this community - the EBFD part, has virtually no representation in the Landsraad which is basically the Tech/Fiction people voting in their friends every month. I thought that EBFD was community also. I havent shifted my opinion Nyar. I have said in more than one post (no need linking them) that I was silently discontented with the Landsraad for several months for not bringing in earthnuker (specifically), or other qualified members in general. I was silent on the issue- i just felt sooner or later his time would come. Until I saw a total stranger as a Landsraad, who does not know many people, and is not known by many people. At that point I needed to voice my opinion, an opinon that at least some agreed with. Then I learned about the "null vote" and it only enhanced my opinion."If they don't like the person they would vote for the add no one option"That is my whole point. The Landsraad is more about voting in friends and buddies, in my opinion, and less about voting in faithful community members and contributers (note that the majority are fan fiction/tech, as Zam pointed out). They don't vote in people who contribute to EBFD because they dont know them. Is any of this a big deal? No!! Good heavens, no. Its just a forum. I saw something, I protested, that was it. Please, to all who just want to flame me, etc, refrain! Disagree with me- that is cool, but no need to get emotionally angry. I am not angry at any individual person. As i said before, I meant a protest, but I did not want to it to get personal. I believe that the people who are in the Landsraad are good people. I have nothing against them as people. I believe as a group, they would rather shut people out, then welcome them in. That is my perception, one that I have. Hate me for it if you wish, I speak honestly how I feel
Gobalopper Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 The Landsraad started about when the old Emperor board closed and started out with just people who had posted here so of course most of the members are going to be those that were involved here beforehand. Over time we have added people who have come from the Emperor boards and I'm sure there will be more. And I've already said the Landsraad isn't about rewarding people.
DjCiD Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 a large chunk of this community - the EBFD part, has virtually no representation in the Landsraad what about me am I chop liver? Im not a techie or a fan fic'er. Strickly Emp and General here with a lil Duniverse, Gaming and Editing on the side ;D :P ;) j/k
Nyarlathotep Posted January 25, 2003 Posted January 25, 2003 To explain you why, you state that we nominate "buddies" into the Landsraad. You made your rant about one person. You know I nominated that person. When I started my disagreement with your whole statement, you started editing your first post, in which you started your rant. Now again in this thread you shift again. Now you tell me all I need to do is do disagree with you more and you'll agree with the whole Landsraad and want to participate in the tourney again ? (you're welcome though).You seem to loose out of sight that we can only nominate someone. It's up to the rest if they agree or not. We're not paying money to get someone elected as you may seem to think (neither do we threaten to kill a person if he doesn't vote for someone we want them to). To make it even more clear, I alone can't get someone to become Landsraad, no matter how much people respect me.When you nominate someone, you will vote for him (obviously). If one person hasn't nominated someone, he has the right no withhold himself fom voting. I'd say that's democratic wouldn't you ? Or do you rather have the situation that we need to vote on someone else against our will ? Now that wouldn't be democratic would it ?
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