Acriku Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 The bible was written by passing along stories to many people who then add stories to it, and compiled into one book. Oh wait I don't believe in the Bible so I can't post this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted January 16, 2003 Author Share Posted January 16, 2003 Some things in the bible were obviously enhanced and made up by the people who wrote it.If you deny that, you're just plain naive.yes, I deny it. which parts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Let's see:1. The parts where God promotes killing by jews2. The parts that say that the jews are the only people that matter to GodCome on, the book was written by jews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted January 16, 2003 Author Share Posted January 16, 2003 Let's see:1. The parts where God promotes killing by jews2. The parts that say that the jews are the only people that matter to GodCome on, the book was written by jews.none of those parts exist. anything else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 The Torah was written by jews, you mean that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 none of those parts exist. Dude, what are you on? You said yourself that God supported and blessed the killing done by jews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edric O Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Emprworm is right - none of those parts actually exist... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 The Torah was written by jews, you mean that?Yeah, which is the Old Testament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted January 16, 2003 Author Share Posted January 16, 2003 Well sorry Acriku, but I know you want me to reply to you, but this line of debate with Belziel assumes spiritual accuracy of the Bible, which you do not, so I am not going to debate your posts about it. You will just rebut my arguments to Belziel with stuff like "Who says GOd exists anyway" and that will only be red herrings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Acriku Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 For all of my life, I have thought the Torah and the OT were different things? Correct me if I'm wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted January 16, 2003 Author Share Posted January 16, 2003 none of those parts exist. Dude, what are you on? You said yourself that God supported and blessed the killing done by jews.those parts do not exist. i am not on anything but diet coke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted January 16, 2003 Author Share Posted January 16, 2003 I dont follow men, Belziel. I follow God. When God kills people, He isn'tt murderering. When God told the Jews to slay people, they weren't murderers either. There, that is what you said emprwormyea, that is what I said. and? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 So what you admit what you said before was a bunch of crap and you are a liar? ::) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted January 16, 2003 Author Share Posted January 16, 2003 So what you admit what you said before was a bunch of crap and you are a liar? ::)no. i still say the same things. None of those parts in the Bible exist, and God told David and others to kill people and they were not murderers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 .............Are you dumb or just pretending??I said that God told jews to kill people, exactly what you said in your post.Then you said that never happened.That is a contradiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 And what would the children or the parents of the people that were "put to justice" think it be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted January 16, 2003 Author Share Posted January 16, 2003 .............Are you dumb or just pretending??Fallacy of the False Dilemma.To others: To learn about this fallacy Belziel commited, go here:http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/false-dilemma.htmlnow to answer you:neither. are your debating skill limited to frequently resorting to ad-hominem attacks? I said that God told jews to kill people, exactly what you said in your post.You said that God promotes the act, not what I said in my posts. I dont let people pull "Clintons" on me. That is something you learn really quick when dialoging with me.Then you said that never happened.Indeed.That is a contradiction.no. it is not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Whatever. To tell is to promote, stop clinging on to the wording. The question of you being dumb was rhetorical, because I think we all know the answer to it :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted January 16, 2003 Author Share Posted January 16, 2003 Whatever. To tell is to promote, stop clinging on to the wording. it is not promote in the slightest. and you're darn straight i'm going to cling to wording, if it makes the statement mean something completely different. A father may tell his son who is being threatened by a poisonous animal to kill the animal. That is vastly different than promoting that such a thing be done, and it is vastly differnt than saying that such a thing is fortunate. The question of you being dumb was rhetorical, because I think we all know the answer to it :Pmore ad-hominem attacks eh? Your use of smilies behind your personal attacks does not minimize your intentions to insult Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 You said that "God told jews to slay people"I substituted "God promoted jews to kill people"In this context, telling to kill is the same as promoting to kill.Dad told his son to kill a snakeDad promoted his son to kill a snakeDad told his son to kill the snake if it is threatening himDad promoted his son to kill the snake if it was threatening him.In your example you changed the sentence completely and on purpose to hide that you are wrong.But it doesn't matter, the meaning of what I said remains even with your trying to hide your own mistake in previous posts with a picking on a certain term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted January 17, 2003 Author Share Posted January 17, 2003 You said that "God told jews to slay people"I substituted "God promoted jews to kill people"thats the point: you substituted, when you should not have. The term "Promoting" carries with it the implications of "advocating" "encouraging"- you attempted to pull a Bill Clinton- twist my words ever so subtly as to convey a meaning that is false. God simply tells them to kill people in the same way that the barbarian hoarde attacked Helms Deep in The Two Towers and they killed the invaders. This is not a fortunate thing. It is most unfortunate that people had to die, but it was necessary. If you believe God would have people sit around while their wives and children are raped and gutted alive and fed to the dogs, then so be it. But you do not believe in the God of the Bible. You believe in the God of Belziel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 You have no idea what I believe in, so just keep quiet about that.When you tell to kill - you are promoting to kill, you're advising to kill, advocating to kill. When you tell - you encourage the action and therefore it is the same as promoting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurlyPIG Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 Its interesting to see people come to the defense of murderers but when it comes to the innocent unborn, they are the first to let them die.backwards, aren't we?No. We're not. Criminals are still people. Even YOU know that. A zygote of totipotent cells is not a person. It can become a person, but then again so can a sperm. We are not at all being hypocritical because we do not hold a zygote replicating its cells blindly through it's DNA programming in the same light as we hold humans.people need to know that if they plot, plan, and execute multiple cold blooded murders (like the DC sniper), then they forfeit their right to live.Exactly where is this law in place? It's not a human right, that's for sure. Capital punishment is completely ineffective in reducing the number of 1st degree murders in a society. My city of a million people and no death sentence averages 13 murders per year. San Antonio has like 1000 at least, and texas is probably the most-executing place in the civilized world (I'm not counting backward muslim countries where you're killed for showing ankle)having pre-knowlege that they will enjoy a luxurious prison life free from harm, with plenty of food, outdoor exvcersice, no need to work for a living, even some television and occasional movie on the weekends...with the lovely potential for freedom if they do good in rehabillitative therapy is very comforting to a murderer. the murderer can take refuge and solace in knowing that no matter how many innocent women and children he kills, his life is still so important that he is guaranteed to be cared for at taxpayer expense. ahhh...what a good life eh? being a murderer suddenly doesn't seem to be so badI think you're a smart guy, but right now your neck is absolutely FLAMING red. Is that literally what you think prison is like?Unless they volunteer to do work, the average prisoner is in their cell for 23 hours a day. Prison is hell. It sure is a punishment, but it's not a rehab place. Not at all. Prison is such a backward environment that when people get out, they're LESS able to function in normal society after being in prison for so long. If you get a TV network that plays the show Oz, make a point of watching it a few times. That's what real inmates and prison workers say jail is really like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted January 17, 2003 Author Share Posted January 17, 2003 "You have no idea what I believe in, so just keep quiet about that."well if you believe that God is going to call David a murderer, then you are right- I have no idea what "god" you believe in.When you tell to kill - you are promoting to kill, you're advising to kill, advocating to kill. Maybe you promote and advocate when to tell someone to do something, but I do not necessarily do so, and neither does God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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