My prediction for the first nuclear war: Pakistan Vs. India

emprworm · December 31, 2002

----- To Empr (and no I am not trying to attack you. You are just pretty uncaring and an ass because you yourself said that the 3rd world countries are ignorant of how to use nuclear weapons correctly. I dont like your opinion. so I will shoot it down as hard as I can. it is barbaric of you to have such an arrogance about western civilization.)

lets see: TMA says, "I am not trying to attack you...but you are uncaring....an ass...ignorant...barbaric...arrogant...." (ect., etc)

lol! :D ;D

whatever- and I think the truth is pretty obvious. And BTW, Edric0 and Ordos45 both agreed with my opinion about the third world- not sure if that makes them barbaric or following some kind of mini-antichrist, but it was just a FYI.

I have 3 words for you TMA:

LET - IT - GO

VigilVirus · December 31, 2002

Heh, lol, even I agree with Emprworm on this. Third world countries have harsher regimes and a lot less to lose in a nuclear war and therefore are more likely to start one.

emprworm · December 31, 2002

woah.

now that says something. Worm & Vigil in agreement. wow. cool. Seriously, that is really cool, not sure if I'd see the day. well heck, what do I argue over now? 8)

Dunenewt · December 31, 2002

India would wipe the floor with Pakistan

Anathema · December 31, 2002

I think we should take a closer look at the third world before we make generalisations. Some of their leaders are dictatorial and crazy, but some of them are good. Don't think everyone of them is stupid (and don't think everybody that leads a western society is a rocket scientist either)

Note that I wouldn't trust some western politicians with nukes either. The fact that Chiraq (France) has nukes is a pretty scary thought to me.

emprworm · December 31, 2002

yea, but the problem with your argument, Earthnuker is that France isn't tossing around threats of nuclear war willy nilly like pakistan is. Pakistan already threatened a non-conventional war just for troops crossing the border. They threaten to retaliate with nukes just because SOldier First Class Ahmed Rajni took one too many steps north by north east. Nuclear war for conventional war. Wow, what a bargain! Can you name me one other country with nukes that is tossing around nuclear war threats as if he were a politician running for office? If France scares you more than Pakistan with nukes, then your fears seem misplaced to me.

aox0m0xoa · December 31, 2002

third world countries are inferior to us, if they werent, they wouldnt be called THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES and for humanity who do you feel safer having nukes the US or pakistan

emprworm · December 31, 2002

since the lessons learned at Hiroshima, the united states has never threatened nuclear attack in retalliation for conventional warfare. Pakistan, however, does this. That is incredibly naieve and makes it clear to me that Pakistan obviously does not have any true idea what they are dealing with. nukes are just a big toy.

VigilVirus · December 31, 2002

Or maybe they just don't care as much about dying, because of their Islamic beliefs. They do not have as much to lose either.

emprworm · December 31, 2002

Or maybe they just don't care as much about dying, because of their Islamic beliefs

this is a fascinating theory. one that I had not considered. the concept of martyrdom is an extremely compelling force in Islam- not just in the "extremist" sections, but throughout. Perhaps Vigil is on to something here. A nuclear armed middle east could pose a much larger threat then I had first realized.

Caid Ivik · December 31, 2002

Both sides know what nuclear war means. Even if it wouldn't enrage Russia, it would destroy both countries, and Kasmir would be a dead area. So any war will be still conventional. I see more problems with Koreas. If Kim has nuke...

VigilVirus · December 31, 2002

The concept of martyrdom is an extremely compelling force in Islam- not just in the "extremist" sections, but throughout.

"Onto jihad to destroy the disbelievers with our holy nukes (prolly something like "The punishing hand of Allah"!"

An example of islamic thought - this of course is the extremist version, but still not other religion (with the exception of perhaps judaeism) promotes this kind of intolerance toward people of other religions.

Anathema · December 31, 2002

Or maybe they just don't care as much about dying, because of their Islamic beliefs
this is a fascinating theory. one that I had not considered. the concept of martyrdom is an extremely compelling force in Islam- not just in the "extremist" sections, but throughout. Perhaps Vigil is on to something here. A nuclear armed middle east could pose a much larger threat then I had first realized.

But launching a nuke is equal to suicide. The Quran doesn't approve of that, does it?

EDIT: btw, Al Quada uses promises of heaven and the 70 virgins to lure muslims to them. I read somewhere that "70 virgins" is a flawed translation, and that it should be "70 grapes". Perhaps somebody should tell them :D

VigilVirus · December 31, 2002

Lol, what about the suicide bombers then?? ::)

Anathema · December 31, 2002

Yeah, I wondered about them too. I know the bible doesn't allow suicide though.

But hey, you're the expert on the Quran here ::)

VigilVirus · December 31, 2002

I think it is probably something like this - Quran is against suicide unless it is in a jihad and one sacrifices his life to kill disbelievers.

emprworm · December 31, 2002

The Quran doesn't approve of that, does it?

yes it does.

"I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips of them this because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger. Allah is strict in punishment (Surat Al-Anfal 8:12). "

"Jihad is ordained for you and you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not know. " Surah 2:216

emprworm · December 31, 2002

Allah's Messenger said, "If anyone meets Allah with no mark of jihad, he will meet Allah with a flaw in him." Hadith - Al-Tirmidhi #3835

That you believe in All

Caid Ivik · December 31, 2002

Djihad is by Shi'ite teachings primarily try of self-improving, against seduces and other bad influences. As warfare, Djihad can be only to defend sacred place, and I don't think Mecca or Al-Aksa lays in Pakistan. Also war between these is only for a one rich place, without religious sense, so it isn't and can't be called a Djihad.

VigilVirus · December 31, 2002

As we have seen, it can be interpreted very differently by extremists and therefore is dangerous.

Caid Ivik · December 31, 2002

So...it might be disused. Terrorism is like an "active defense" against western influence.

Edric O · December 31, 2002

These people are already impoverished. They live in a barren, waterless land...

Sounds familiar?

VigilVirus · December 31, 2002

LMAO, incredibly familiar ;D

Anathema · December 31, 2002

These people are already impoverished. They live in a barren, waterless land...
Sounds familiar?

*Looks around himself*

Not quite...

VigilVirus · December 31, 2002

Ummm...

Shall we say... Fremen? ;D

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