OK, so who of you are there?

[BRAVO]

And Catholics are not Christans. if you think this then you really do have problems.

Wow. I didn't read that until now.

sneezer you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about, the statment is so ridiculous that doesn't even deserve more arguments.

Catholics are Christians, also the first Christian Church that existed since Jesus and since Peter which is now represented by the pope.

i agree

[Caid Ivik]

That's why there are teologists on the world. There are thousands of people living to translate and explain Bible, working together. Every country has also a nuncius and Holy See embassy, which will see if it's like other nation has. Bible is in all nations same. Explanation of it is a work for more people than just one comic-writer. For one it's too confusing. As the Lord's mind is superior to us, it is impossible to one person to explain it without any fault. When it's done by many experts - such as Vatican teologists - the chance of mistake is much smaller. That's one sense why Church exists.

[sneezer3]

Sneezer, I would give you backup until I read you posting rediculous comments about the KJV. You of all people should know how utterly dangerous it is to make up biblical doctrines. There is NO DOCTRINE IN THE BIBLE saying that God will "only" bless 1 version. There is NO DOCTRINE that says "ONLY the KJV is God's truly inspired translation."

The doctrine of inerrancy ONLY APPLIES TO THE ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS and does not apply to translations!!

You are putting the KJV ABOVE the manuscripts. What say you about the fact that the KJV was wrong about the Red sea? Every single Bible except the KJV now translates those scriptures correctly. REED sea! Are you going to still believe in the "original" king james despite this error?

I trust the Manuscripts. When I read a verse, whether from the KJV or NIV, I always keep in mind what the manuscripts said. What is language, sneezer? It is words we use to communicate. Are you going to condemn the Chinese now because they cannot understand the KJV? All they get is a 'chinese translation'. Since when did ENGLISH become "GODS" language? People even to this day are translating the Bible into languages of cultures that have no Bible. And you can be sure that they are NOT getting the KJV. A person in Africa that speaks Swahili will not have any idea what "THOU ART" means.

Yet for some reason, guys like Jack Chick have this crazy notion that the KJV is the one true translation upon which all other translations are inferior. I'm sorry, but that is a load of crap that smells worse than a sewer. God is NOT about a bunch of English speaking white anglo-saxons. God is about THE HUMAN RACE. AND THE HUMAN RACE SPEAKS IN MORE THAN 3000 LANGUAGES!!! >:( grrrrr

It is wrong...100% WRONG to call any honest translation of the BIble "corrupted." Men spend their entire lives doing this, and guys like JCHICK are going to condemn it because they get an "and" or a "the" wrong.

Well guess what? I guess that if a bible that gets an "and" or a "the" wrong is DEMONIC, then every single chinese, indian, portugese, german, spanish, etc. Bible in the world is also demonic and the ONLY PEOPLE IN HEAVEN WILL BE KJV WHITIES??

uhh, no.

i back up you sneezer, on most of what you say. but condeming other bibles that seek to spread the good news to other cultures and other languages is going too far. support i have for you ends right there.

Sneezer, I would give you backup until I read you posting rediculous comments about the KJV. You of all people should know how utterly dangerous it is to make up biblical doctrines. There is NO DOCTRINE IN THE BIBLE saying that God will "only" bless 1 version. There is NO DOCTRINE that says "ONLY the KJV is God's truly inspired translation."

There is no specfic thing that says that. And there is a diffrance.

The doctrine of inerrancy ONLY APPLIES TO THE ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS and does not apply to translations!!

No. there is a diffrance between Translateing it And makeing it "Easyer to understand". And if you change it into whatever Langwich that would still apply not to change its meaning.

I'm already ahead of you. go to this site

http://www.chick.com/search/searchask/questionans.idq

Put it in has a question and you'l get your answer i think its within 2 weeks. Was last time i did it.

And most so called "errors" are just errors on are the people that thinks theres errors part. Since i can't think of any explans right off i'l give you a link to one of'em.

http://www.chick.com/ask/articles/grief.asp

Aslo i have reasons for beliveing what i do about changeing the meaning. the NIV new ASV etc etc. pervert the bible. I'l give you a few links where they compair them to each other.

http://www.chick.com/search/searchask/pwnv-NIV.idq

http://www.chick.com/search/searchask/pwnv-NKJ.idq

http://www.chick.com/search/searchask/pwnv-Lamsa.idq

There you go. i'l let you look around there some more on your on.

[Edric O]

STOP IT!!! Both of you!! Stop arguing NOW!

Sneezer, come to your senses! Satan is making you fight against fellow Christians! SNAP OUT OF IT!

Please understand that you are wrong about the Catholic Church because you simply DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY BELIEVE. You are drawing false conclusions based on FALSE information you have about the Catholic Church!

I call upon any Christian with an ounce of reason to stop this "civil war" and focus on our true enemy. Atheism is that enemy. Open you eyes and see Satan's plan to divide us and turn us against each other!

Atheism is the greatest threat to Christianity everywhere. Islam is only growing because Muslims have large families. Atheism is growing by turning people away from God.

I make an appeal to all Christians to unite and stop the plague of atheism and immorality that is taking over our world.

P.S. Sneezer, why did you ignore my previous post? Please go back and read it. I made the same plea for peace and unity. We must stand together, or we will fall one by one.

[The_Sadukar]

Since when has freedom from the slavery of the gods become a plauge?

As far as I'm concerned freedom is not a plauge.

[Edric O]

"Freedom"? All I see is moral decay and a growing tide of evil. You are not free. You are slaves to your instincts and primal desires.

Oh, and this is not Stargate. :) Welcome to the real world.

[Acriku]

Hehe edric, that shouting was pretty funny. Back demonic raisins! I rebuke you!

[Edric O]

I have to admit, Satan knows his strategy. This is one of the most superb examples of divide et impera ever used. He has successfully turned Christians against each other and blinded them to their true enemy.

[Acriku]

Oh please, stop being so dramatic. Prima Edriconna! You aren't turning against each other, after all religion is a personal thing and no personality is the same as another. There will always be minor qualms.

[Edric O]

If you had a religion and it was falling apart, you would be acting just as dramatic. Put yourself in my position and you'll understand.

[Acriku]

Yes the whole religion is falling down because two people can't agree on a personal thing. Oh Oh Oh ! I can't agree with someone, oh shiver me bones!

[Edric O]

Acriku, you don't understand. It's not about those 2 people. They are only a small part of a much larger phenomenon.

[Acriku]

Well as you say, nothing is forever. So accept it and move on.

[Edric O]

Over my dead body.

[sneezer3]

STOP IT!!! Both of you!! Stop arguing NOW!

Sneezer, come to your senses! Satan is making you fight against fellow Christians! SNAP OUT OF IT!

Please understand that you are wrong about the Catholic Church because you simply DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY BELIEVE. You are drawing false conclusions based on FALSE information you have about the Catholic Church!

I call upon any Christian with an ounce of reason to stop this "civil war" and focus on our true enemy. Atheism is that enemy. Open you eyes and see Satan's plan to divide us and turn us against each other!

Atheism is the greatest threat to Christianity everywhere. Islam is only growing because Muslims have large families. Atheism is growing by turning people away from God.

I make an appeal to all Christians to unite and stop the plague of atheism and immorality that is taking over our world.

P.S. Sneezer, why did you ignore my previous post? Please go back and read it. I made the same plea for peace and unity. We must stand together, or we will fall one by one.

"Please understand that you are wrong about the Catholic Church because you simply DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY BELIEVE. You are drawing false conclusions based on FALSE information you have about the Catholic Church!"

Yes i do preety much. I do better then you anyway you thought they all belived you get saved by grace though faith. If you think i'm wrong take a good look around the first 2 or 3 pages of that site my frind. you will find they belive you get saved by being babtizt in water.

And by the way. Cathlics belive diffrantly then us. some of there doctrenes are diffrant etc. You cannot go to a Cathlic church in the morning and Babtist church in the evening. otherwise you will get all confused and your doctrenes all mixed up.

And Cathlics and Christans cannot both be right. there is only one way to heaven and that means inforutently all of the rest that thought there was another way will go the other place. hell Therefore only one is right even you disagree with them on some issues.

Now if theres only 1 way to be saved then either the Cathlics are wrong or we are. Now the bible tells us in many places Grace though faith. but there bibles take that out.

"P.S. Sneezer, why did you ignore my previous post? Please go back and read it. I made the same plea for peace and unity. We must stand together, or we will fall one by one. "

Don't you know. the world is moveing towards the new world order and us all working has one. and all relgions comeing togather has one? Of couse Christanty will be excluded from it due of people finding there way to Jesus and how to Really get saved. you are slightly pushing towards that unknowingly.

"I make an appeal to all Christians to unite and stop the plague of atheism and immorality that is taking over our world."

I know. I got time for that and you to. ;D

But i don't have time for any perverstion or to use another trasnlation ;)

And btw. I'm already on the job witnessing. read jack chicks traact "This was your life" I hand out stuff like that.

[The_Sadukar]

"Freedom"? All I see is moral decay and a growing tide of evil. You are not free. You are slaves to your instincts and primal desires.

Oh, and this is not Stargate. :) Welcome to the real world.

Then ratehr slave to my insticnts than to some omnipotent creature who dosn't really care as long as he get my soudl (although he claims otherwise)

and BTW sneezer, have you ever considered that it might be the chatolics who are right and you who are wrong?

[Edric O]

So did He tell you that? ::)

Otherwise how do you know what He thinks?

[zamboe]

Sneezer stop the crap. Your *only* source of information is that Satan called "J chick", indeed as someone said he put you agains others. I believe he has washed you brain and maybe he has washed your family's brain too, to atack with no reason to true Christians like Catholics are.

I am Catholic, my whole family is.

Several times I got down on my knees when I pray to Jesus.

I recognize him as the only God and as the only way to reach the father. And you say I am not Christian ?.LOL.

You should ask what Catholics believe in, you should ask us, instead of believing some demon separatist punk that only gives away his only twisted version of the bible, to put you againts other Christians.

Catholics are the first Church of J.C., not the only one actually, but one of them, we might have our differences, but our main agreement, the most important one, is that we believe in only one God : Jesus.

Last, but not least. Nobody (no human being) can give the status of Christian, or refuse to call you a Christian, any person deep down his/her feeling can feel that, it's free and up to anyone who wants to receive it and get commited to follow that path.

[The_Sadukar]

Yup I have a hotline, and I'm his shrink, you know it's a stressed life as the creator of the universe ;)

No acturly he apperd to me in a strange dream sometime ago, rellay creepy.

And don't even think of trying to covert me, I'm dammed beyond redemtion.

[Edric O]

Sneezer, what you don't understand is that both Protestants and Catholics believe in the same Salvation. You are BOTH right.

[sneezer3]

Then rather slave to my insticnts than to some omnipotent creature who dosn't really care as long as he get my soudl (although he claims otherwise)

and BTW sneezer, have you ever considered that it might be the chatolics who are right and you who are wrong?

I can't much understand you. :-[

here i'l translate it for you Edric ;) and up it a little bit.

The way I understand it your saying

"I'd rather be a slave to my insticnts then to some everlasting immortl being. who really doesn't care about me has long has he gets my soul. :P Even that he says he wants to save me from something >:("

"And by the way sneezer have you ever cansiderd the possableity that the Cathlics could be right and you wrong? ???"

Yep. i've cansiderd that. but theres simply to many bible verses that sugests there wrong.

And he don't want your soul. if he wanted that then would have crated man planly to serve him and robotic like with no will or abittly to make any choices.

All he wants to do is give you Everlasting life to live in heaven forever instede of dieing and going to hell forever. Whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

He that hath the son hath life he that hath not the son hath not life but the wrath of God Abideth on him.

And Edric he don't know anything about what i think. i haven't messaged him or anything he knows nothing but what i posted.

[Edric O]

What do I have to do with any of that? ???

And I was talking about what God thinks, not about what you think. Notice the capitalized "He".

[nemafakei]

Let's stop messing around with religion wars, and concentrate on ridding ourselves of evil of society, whatever religion it may be entrneched in - remove the evil from each group of society without removing that group (unless, of course that group is, by definition evil)

[Edric O]

Ah, but is that really possible? Or is evil entrenched in society itself?

[zamboe]

"And by the way sneezer have you ever cansiderd the possableity that the Cathlics could be right and you wrong? ???"

Yep. i've cansiderd that. but theres simply to many bible verses that sugests there wrong.

You are one of the few with the thruth ? and all the hundreds of millions of Catholics are wrong ???, just make the math to realize your mistake. There is not one single verse that says that, your miss intrepretation of the bible is driving you to the demon side by atacking other Christians.