homosexuality and where it stands morally

[TMA_1]

actually recreational sex is perfectly fine in the bible as long as one is married. And if husband and wife agree, any kind of kinky stuff is perfectly fine.lol Its the stuff out of marriage. Also homosexuality because it is a direct attack against a divine institution in the Christian beliefs.

[Edric O]

I don't believe homosexuality per se (as in being attracted to someone your own gender) is a sin, because it's not your fault and you can't help it. Homosexual sex, on the other hand, is compltely voluntary. Thus, it is a sin.

Being intolerant with homosexuals is stupid. Many of them get put off with Christianity because some Christians just hate them. That is a completely un-christian attitude if I ever saw one! Do not hate. Help them find Christ. There are much worse sins than homosexual sex, and we are all sinners.

[Inoculator9]

Edric, I know you were trying to be the good guy there, but I still don't agree. You say "it's not their fault". If we didn't have the bible to lead us around we could say that hetrosexuality inst their fault.

And I hate to turn this into an anti-bible thing, but in the bible, Abraham had an affair, so he sent that woman into the desert like that would fix things and the bible didn't say there was a problem with that.

Now I know tat we all know that some people hate homosexuality but why? And don't say because the bible says so, give a real reason.

[emprworm]

edric has good points. a married man is tempted by a prostitute. the initial temptation is not sinful. what he does with that temptation determines sin.

homosexuality is the same way.

yet unlike heterosexual sex where we know that it is divinely approved in the context of marriage, there is no context in which homosexual acts are divinely approved of.

[DukeLeto]

I don't believe Homosexuality is a "sin". It's not their choice, and it's not their fault.

Here where I live, there was recently a big push for a bill to protect homosexuals from discrimination. You'll never believe who was opposing it: the Christian church. ::) They said, believe it or not, that homosexuals were sinners and had every right to be discriminated against.

Using your religion to oppress people, now THAT's a sin.

I'm not directly opposed to homosexual sex, but some scientists/doctors have good evidence that that's were AIDS developed.

[emprworm]

I don't believe Homosexuality is a "sin". It's not their choice, and it's not their fault

we didnt say it was a sin. we said homosexual acts are a sin.

putting your penis in a big hairy monkey like butt is a choice you make.

i have no idea how anyone can have a desire like that but they do (so bizzarre). nontheless, everytime someone does that action, they make a choice and they are not helpless, they can choose to zip up their pants.

[Edric O]

Edric, I know you were trying to be the good guy there, but I still don't agree. You say "it's not their fault". If we didn't have the bible to lead us around we could say that hetrosexuality inst their fault.

I'm not trying to be the "good guy", I'm only stating my opinion. And yes, if we didn't have the Bible to guide us, we could say that. We could also say Hitler was right, because all morals would be completely relative... ::)

Emprworm - I agree.

Leto - Again, I agree.

You'll never believe who was opposing it: the Christian church. They said, believe it or not, that homosexuals were sinners and had every right to be discriminated against.

"Let he who is without sin throw the first stone."

Funny how they do the exact opposite of what Jesus taught us.

[Acriku]

Horrible picture there empr... :P

[GhostHunter]

I personally do not care if a person is straight, bi or gay. I feel that it is their choice and if they prefer that its cool by me for love is what makes people really happy normally so its fine by me

[emprworm]

sometimes, my good friend acriku-, you just have to tell it straight up.

[VigilVirus]

Dude, emprworm, what's wrong with you? We didn't need to hear all that

[emprworm]

now you aren't discriminating against homosexuals, are you?

;)

[VigilVirus]

now you aren't discriminating against homosexuals, are you?

;)

I'm discriminating against posting repulsive textual images on fed2k ;D

[emprworm]

well judging from the majority of my posts,

i'd say that anything emprworm says is a textual repulsive image to someone.

8)

[Dante]

Oh dear oh dear oh dear... Did I start this? I have a funny feeling I did you know, otherwise I don't think this topic would have been brought up.

*Sighs*

We try not to offend,

We try to be accepted,

We do not force others to like us, but we'd like it if they did,

We are not evil people, nor sinners,

What we do in bed is, frankly, none of your damn business so get lost and go criticise someone else.

What you do in bed is none of our damn business.

We are still human and as humans we have the right not to be abused, insulted, harrased or otherwise discriminated against.

[emprworm]

What we do in bed is, frankly, none of your damn business so get lost and go criticise someone else

nope, none of my business at all. what you try to teach my children IS my business. Teaching that homosexual activity is "OK" to my children is unacceptable.

what you do in the privacy of your own home is your buisness. And God's business.

If 2 men want to do their thing in their room, i wont try to stop them- it dont bother me at all, its not my business

if those two men come to my sons's school and try to force their views on my children, then it IS my business.

I dont approve of a teacher telling students things about "God says this is wrong" or "God says that is right"

AND NEITHER do I approve of a teacher saying "homosexuals say this is wrong" or "homosexuals say this is right."

Keep homoesexuality OUT OF SCHOOLS, and in the bedroom and I wont really mind.

[VigilVirus]

What, you've seen homosexuality in schools? I personally haven't.

[Dante]

Except that's a problem. Because what if one of these people is gay? Thinking that's it's bad could cause them serious mental stress and has led to suicide before.

I'm not saying it should be taught in schools. Just explained. You don't need to say "Hetro good, homo bad." Or "Homo good, hetro bad." We wouldn't like that. "Hetro good, homo good." Would be nice. But "Hetro good, homo not bad." Would be ok for now...

[emprworm]

unacceptable. You dont say that any of them is good. The moment you teach your students that homo is good, you impose your religion on someone else's kids. See, now your hidden agenda is coming out. Its not enough for you to say "let us mind our own business", you want to force your views down other people- namely children.

I believe homosexual activity is immoral. This is my view. I dont try to force this view on you. I respect your right to have a different view. I will instill this value in my child. You have no right to try to take that away.

That makes you intolerant of other peoples views. This is why schools are awful. They spend too much time dealing with social issues which are filled with religion, right and wrong, behavior, polictics. LET PARENTS teach their children social issues like this. Schools should teach children LAW, MATH, READING, SCIENCE, HISTORY. Teaching my child that "daddy has a roomate" is repugnant. This is why my children will attend private schools.

I dont mind someone being a homosexual, but I cannot stand their intolerance of other people. They just will not accept anyone having any other view then them, and they need to keep their claws off my children.

there should be no instruction of homosexuality in school other than a brief, 1 paragraph "here is the definition of homosexuality"

any hint that it is good or bad is teaching religion in schools.

[Dante]

If you don't want to have your children taught that gays are ok, tell them that yourself. Children naturally believe parents more than schools.

But surely you can see that it's wrong to suppress us? It would be like living a lie, constantly. And if God tells you it is wrong, then that is for him/her/it to decide and we shall take the penalty on our souls. If we are going to be damned for eternity couldn't you help us make our brief stay in this life enjoyable?

[emprworm]

i do not support oppressing homosexuals. they should be able to obtain employment, schooling, housing, social services like everyone else. They should not be permitted to teach that their lifestyle is "good" to children in public school. It is not the schools place to say what is good and what is bad.

They cross the line when they do this. It is intolerant and unacceptable.

You have your freedom to be a homosexual and view that it is good. You can tell that to all your friends and family. You should not have freedom to teach that in schools. You want me to teach Christianity in public school? Hardly. Therefore, dont teach homosexual morality either.

keep it out of schools and I am ok with things.

[Dante]

I think everything should be taught in schools. Homosexuality, Christianisy, Hinduism, that way children can make up their own minds without being influenced. Wouldn't it be better for them to think freely rather than what you want them to think because that's all they've been taught?

[Apollyon]

empr worm, you seem to be implying that christianity and homosexuality naturally conflict.

Although this is fundamentally true, there are many gay christians.

[VigilVirus]

Because there are very few true christians who really believe.

[emprworm]

I think everything should be taught in schools. Homosexuality, Christianisy, Hinduism, that way children can make up their own minds without being influenced. Wouldn't it be better for them to think freely rather than what you want them to think because that's all they've been taught?

there is a proper context for teaching "world religion" however the teacher must be totally objective and NOT make any value judgments.

It is virtually impossible to do because people are too biased. An atheist teacher, for example, would have a very difficult time teaching objectively Christian religion without inserting slamming remarks against it like "Christians follow an old unreliable book called the Bible which is full of contradictions."

Homosexuals would say "Homosexuality is normal and you are born with it. Be yourself- its who you are, dont worry, its ok. God approves."

A christian might even say "Islam is a wicked religion."

this kind of language in school is UNACCEPTABLE

teach kids reading, math and science- keep all that social CRAP out of it. kids will learn as they grow up in society and form their views through parental discipline.