Tleilaxu lovers, the time has came......

[TLContaminator]

I've seen scouts accidently run over a crate in bases ... low and behold ... it's a engineer crate ... I've taken and lost major buildings due to this lucky find. Even better is getter a invisiblity crate with a Mino or Missile tank ... watch what happens then. You can march right into bases and have a field day.

its your folt that you didnt protect the base

[TLContaminator]

I played once a game, where I was ONLY searching for crates, and watching for the enemy ofcourse. But I had only 2 Fremen Warriors and 2 Dusties left then, and the opponent 3 Mino's. Until I got a projector... :)

But searching for crates isn't so much time-wasting, but I agree that you shouldn't do that alot of time

you should have builded your defance with kobras

[Devastator_Mech]

Well even an experience player wouldn't expect an engineer to be in a crate and be at your base ......

[TLContaminator]

i know i meant the scout how did he got in the base

[Devastator_Mech]

Well everyone make mistakes. If micromanaged well, its not hard at all to pull a stealth unit into someone's base.

[TLContaminator]

yea if his base is un protected

in my defence i dont pot scouts at the entrence if im playing against ai but if i dont then i do

[Devastator_Mech]

Well yes, putting scout in the entrance of your base is a very good defense against other scouts and sneeky Fremens.

[ken124578]

you should have builded your defance with kobras

thats, too expensive, time wasting, money wasting, untactical, useless base defence ::)

i saw someeone do it in multiplayer, every kobra that stood at his entrance got killed by a. fedaykin or b. guild or c. gunships.

[DarkElf49]

The only crate that I find really worth searching for, is the crate that clears the shroud from the entire map. This is also the reason why I don't like crates in multiplayer games, since someone that gets the crate will have an unfair advantage.

Not exactly, both teams (people) have an equal chance of getting the crates that revel shroud; some units you get from crates are very useful, example: Crate that gives you and Harkonnen MCV when your Ordos, or an early advanced carryall is nice.

[Navaros]

an early advanced carryall is nice.

Yeah no doubt. The 3 min rule was invented to relieve such ludicrous advantages. :) It's all good if *I* get the Adv tho 8)

[ken124578]

Crate that gives you and Harkonnen MCV when your Ordos

impossible, you can only get mcv's from your own side, house ordos gets an ordos mcv, atreides the atreides mcv etc

[Devastator_Mech]

you should have builded your defance with kobras

thats, too expensive, time wasting, money wasting, untactical, useless base defence ::)

i saw someeone do it in multiplayer, every kobra that stood at his entrance got killed by a. fedaykin or b. guild or c. gunships.

Well then its because your opponent doesn't know how to support the might Kobra. a. Fedaykin would be not as effective anymore if they're revealed by scouts b. For NIAB, nothing i could say, because its one of the best anti-tank in the game. c. Gunships could easily be killed by AA mines and AA trooper when they're in the right place.

[TLContaminator]

who puts one kobra as a defence minimum is 3 and aa troops and when can a diviator

[Devastator_Mech]

Who said someone will only put 1 kobra as defence?

Have the Kobra in the front, then AA trooper, then scout, then Mortar Infantry and have a few AA mines sprinkled on top of it and this would be almost the best defence line you could build with only Ordos units.

And when you opponent pull out their "big gun", its time for you to pull out the "gas guns" i.e have a few Deviator ready for Devastators or Mino rushes.

[Mad Rhetoric]

I agree with AL.Some Fremen and Sardauker would be nice too. :)

[Devastator_Mech]

For Fremen Fredaykins, yes, but for Sardaukars, no.

Have some Fredaykins right at the front and micromanage the Freds when the enemy comes and show what the Fredaykins have!! (not too close to the Kobras)

Sardaukars are for main assaults and break through enemy lines, they're close to useless when placed in a defensive lines, because a few salvo from minos(any long range anti-infantry fires) will kill even a group of packede Sards.

[TLContaminator]

sard+stealth=deadly

[ken124578]

over ego'd turtlers... :(

ok, let me explain.

you cannot instantly have an line of kobra's with all support.

you cannot make scouts/aa troopers/morter infantry/fedaykin/sardaukar elite/kobra's that fast.

i only need an few niab's, and if your an skilled player that knows can micromanage his units well knows how to avoid deviater shots by good micromanaging.

and an few aa mines CANNOT kill an group of gunships, hence 1 aa mine can't even kill 1 gunship

[TLContaminator]

yea well you cannot build gunships that fast

[ken124578]

yes i can, long before you got your line of kobra's because i'll be rushing you and rushing you and rushing you, you wont have many kobra's or any troops left for my gunships/niab (3 refinery's)

if you doubt if i'm an newbie or an oldbie, i've got emperor for over an year now.

[Devastator_Mech]

Let me tell you, 1 AA mine and 1 Trooper is more than enough to kill a Gunship, it cost less and take less time to build too !!

[ken124578]

how about an group of 20 gunships, no 20 airmines and 20 troopers do NOT own 20 gunships.

[Devastator_Mech]

Well by the time your 20 Gunships is ready, my 20 AA mines and troopers should be ready too, also, i could place some APC's for early defence.

[IxianMace]

Let me tell you, 1 AA mine and 1 Trooper is more than enough to kill a Gunship, it cost less and take less time to build too !!

Only just enough. The AA mine will reduce the Gunship to about 10% health, provided that the Gunship is undamaged, has no chevrons, and all 6 missiles from the AA mine hit. The AA trooper should be able to finish the severely damaged Gunship off, but it will only just be able to do it.

[IxianMace]

how about an group of 20 gunships, no 20 airmines and 20 troopers do NOT own 20 gunships.

I agree with ken124578. This would be because in a Gunship rush when all the Gunships are coming all at the same time in a tight cluster, it's more than likely (in fact almost certain) that some AA mines will target the same Gunships or some AA troopers will target the same Gunships and waste shots on Gunships that are already being destroyed by multiple AA mines. This would give the rest of the Gunships time to fly to their targets and unleash their payload.