Real rulers of the world

[Acriku]

You would think if they went as far as to launch a shuttle, bring it back with everyone alive, then create a totally fake scene, that they would have it perfected? There are people who do this for a living and back then, too, so why would there be mistakes quite obvious, or exaggerated some? Some stuff, like "the helmet is reflecting too much if the sun is shining there", is just speculation, a lot like other "proofs".

[ordos45]

As far as I know there is no joint space force, but thanks for proving my point Gryphin. Btw, i did not know a lot of that stuff.

[Caid Ivik]

There is no JOINT space force. But I'm sure that russian shuttle Buran was built for military purposes. Also, space forces are primarily based on spionage satellites, weapons are just for their defense.

[gryphon]

"But I'm sure that russian shuttle Buran was built for military purposes."

Excuse me, it WAS BUILD ?!

http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/rsa/buran.html

Yea, in a way you're right ;) but they never got beyond the test phase.

"There is no JOINT space force"

In a way, yes there is.

http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/arms/stories/00061901.htm

Now it might appear that it only applies to airspace, but as you know, NORAD also harbors "space command". .. who's to tell what's in the full report.

[ The link isn't the full document and there are more, I have some at home but the sites that offerd the doc's don't offer them for viewing or download anymore, so I hope the above will give some indication for you where to look. ]

[Caid Ivik]

Buran wasn't only built, it also flewn! But financial problems of Gorbacov's era stopped project after first flights without crew.

Also, why Gorbacov has received Nobel prize for peace? Wasn't he just western agent placed to destroy the Union?

[Usul]

He succeded didn't he? If so then thats why, the USSR was a major threat to world peace.

[gryphon]

"But I'm sure that russian shuttle Buran was built for military purposes"

Just remembered it, but the USSR was one of the only nations where the space programm was military controled. So it that way you are correct.

Has any of you heard that our prince [ Bernhard, of The Nerlands ofcourse ] might have been a spy in and after the 2nd world war ? Providing intelligence to not only the Binnenlandse Veiligheids Dienst [ Dutch - Domestic Security Service ] but also to the Central Intelligence Agency, De Abwehr [ German - The resistance, German counterespionage Service ] and a possible connection to a strong anti-comunistic network in Europe.

[Caid Ivik]

You think he worked ONLY for them? ;D

[vidiware]

SPYs are bad people...

Why are everyone sniffing in others privacy...

[Caid Ivik]

What's bad on sniffing on enemy's plans? In war, even cold war, there is no privacy.

[vidiware]

Um... Whats the problem og haveing a video camera at the toilet? ???

Um... Why aren't bush standing nude when he are talking on tv? ???

(Dont say anything about religion Caid! >:()

[Caid Ivik]

What has religion with politics? From Napoleon's times nothing, just advisary.

Privacy of one person is something else than "privacy" of government things. War is game without rules of engagement and morale.

[gryphon]

War is game without rules of engagement and morale.

Think you'r wrong. War is about morale, about your rules and ideas, ideology.

[Caid Ivik]

War is a final stage of conflict of ideologies and rules of two or more sides. But in this stage is no morale. Morale stages are diplomatic solutions or economic warfare.

[gryphon]

War is a final stage of conflict of ideologies and rules of two or more sides. But in this stage is no morale. Morale stages are diplomatic solutions or economic warfare.

War doesn't have to be the final stage, it can be poeples first solution to a problem. Remember all those guy's who start hittng first and then ask questions. .

[Acriku]

There has to be morale in a war! If not, then a lot more countries would be nuked, sprayed with chemical gas, and just plain napalmed.

What about the Geneva Treaty? It is good morale to not shoot a soldier parachuting down, which is in the treaty, so there is morale in the war.

War isn't the final solution, once war breaks out and finishes, someone has to establish governments and institutions for the loser in war. They don't do that a lot, but for countries in dire need they do. American-Spanish war is a good example.

[Duneguy]

yeah spies are a good thing when they are on your side... kinda liek the movie The Bourne Identity, or kinsda like STRIPES. there are a lot of things that are good about spies

[Caid Ivik]

There has to be morale in a war! If not, then a lot more countries would be nuked, sprayed with chemical gas, and just plain napalmed.

What about the Geneva Treaty? It is good morale to not shoot a soldier parachuting down, which is in the treaty, so there is morale in the war.

War isn't the final solution, once war breaks out and finishes, someone has to establish governments and institutions for the loser in war. They don't do that a lot, but for countries in dire need they do. American-Spanish war is a good example.

In WW2 were paratroopers under fire from jump to landing. Also many countries have still chemical weapons. Russia has them like USA, Slovakia or any other. War is final solution of many problems, but of course conflicters don't have to fight. Many should be soluted by diplomacy. Or that bizzare era known as Cold War - end was realized by economical superiority of the West.

[ordos45]

Umm, I'm not sure but I think the Geneva Convention was after WW2. Anyhow, just about everyone breaks that treaty.

[Caid Ivik]

It was I think in 1902, but I'm not sure.

[Acriku]

Yes, but there is morale, but it is a fight to the death so many wouldn't care about morale if they are going to die. But some honorable soldiers do give mercy and instead of blowing the enemy's brains out they take them as prisoner,etc. And that's good morale.

[Caid Ivik]

In WW2 it was better to die on battlefield than being captured. Germans, Japanese and Russians were brute for prisoners too. Yet Russians hadn't agreed with Geneva Convention.

[Acriku]

Just because there were some bad morale, doesn't there wasn't good morale in other places. It doesn't happen everywhere, but it does happen.

[Caid Ivik]

All wars are pointed against whole enemy country. Also against its civilians, altough it's forbidden. And where is morale now?Also, let's get back on topic. I've just wanted to have some information about Illuminates and such groups.