Real rulers of the world

[Caid Ivik]

Please, let's stop with Area 51 and other nonsenses based on alien technology. This thread is about governments and their invisible background.

[Gunseng_Harkonnen]

But goverments are supposed to hide technology becouse they want use it during war. For exemple: the newest planes of USA always put bombs not there where thay wanted cos it was alien technology not adjusted to Earth oxygen percents. ;)

But seriously, if you want conspiracy: main part of Jews that was on the plane that crushed down on World Trade Center, left plane before it started.

And I saw one of those shops, on TV, of course, that sells things close to 51 Area. Good little bussines, selling photos with strange triangular shapes to Fox Mulder and his friends.

[Acriku]

Don't even start implying that Jews had something to do with it, or knew about it and didn't say anything. It's ludicrous, to say that a group of people left the plane, and also happened to be mostly Jewish (which I don't know if it is true), so there must be a conspiracy about Jews.

[gryphon]

That's a difference in our positions Doc. You suggest there is a larger Iceberg below. I doubt that.

And did you know all the things I've mentioned so far are all what the governments themslefs give away. Via numerous sources and ways ;)

"the newest planes of USA always put bombs not there where thay wanted cos it was alien technology"

I suppose you have any kind / form of evidence to back this up, or even explain it.

You can say anything [ just go to the bookstore and look at the science fiction and fantasy part ] but could you give any justification that this COULD be true ?

I know what you'r trying to say with "no one on this forum is in a position to know anything about any of those things". What I'm trying to say, that when you say that [ the above ] you presume there is anything [ big ] they arn't telling. Anything besides the things they mention in there anual reports, there press conferences and there science releases.

What I did before we just mentioning what they are saying themselfs, mentioning things we can do or buy ourselfs. Not about parts any government of military is "possibly" doing.

And I doubt if there even is "anything more".

And don't tell me your dad could only come up with pictures and info like these ? ::)

http://www.ufomind.com/cgi-bin/listpix.cgi?file=/area51/

http://www.FrogI.org/

[Duneguy]

Lol, today on sally(talk show), there was this lady that was like 30 or 40 who said that when she was young the goverment stole her and trainded her to be a spy. she said that at age 4 they did surgery so she could be a 4 yr old prostitue and all that jazz for the CIA and that it was patriotic for them to do that... now thats a conspiracy...

any comments

[Acriku]

Crazy woman wanting attention? People will do anything for tv time...

[Gunseng_Harkonnen]

Don't even start implying that Jews had something to do with it, or knew about it and didn't say anything. It's ludicrous, to say that a group of people left the plane, and also happened to be mostly Jewish (which I don't know if it is true), so there must be a conspiracy about Jews.

I don`t know its true, becouse I read this, and sometimes what you read, its not what really happened. But it was written that plane left 10 people and all was Jewish. It could be suspicious. Or they just was group and resigned.

New Nikita? A big bad mamma? IT IS CONSPIRACY!

Or husband left her..

[Nyarlathotep]

I'm sure that a lot of people know "something", but one (unless working for secret agencies) does not know all that's out there (meaning what the government is doing). Hence the fact I compared it to an iceberg.

No one is going to convince me that we know what's going on. To be honest, I don't think we want to know all that's going on..

[Gunseng_Harkonnen]

Yes, the bigger part that goverment doesn`t give to our know than the give us to know. And usually we don`t know the most important part. For exemple: we know that goverment agency (not important witch) gave bug to telephone. We can know that they give it and probably they give it to another important agency. But we don`t know why, when and we can only assume witch part of action that this agency doing is important for them.

Or: goverment (pentagon for exemple) says that strange shape on the sky is baloon. This can be spaceship and they can hide it to not cause panic and they can hide it becouse thay don`t need people know. Cos they want use this fact in some way.

[Caid Ivik]

Yes! Now it looks like this thread is going on good way. But also, all government agencies have bugged telephone. I saw it.

[gryphon]

"I'm sure that a lot of people know "something", but one (unless working for secret agencies) does not know all that's out there (meaning what the government is doing)"

I think not even one guy at a government agency [ or other company that is related to this ] may even know what the others are doing. The reason for that may varry from "security" to "just not interested", mayby even to lasy.

I agree that you can't tell the people you govern the "whole truth" in some cases.

And don't worry, I'm not trying to convince anyone that I even know anything about it. Mayby just saying there might ot be as mutch as some of us hope for, but that's it. .. ;)

Ofcourse you phone is taped, it's in the law . .. you might want to read that ::)

You know evry GSM has a locating chip in it. [ FCC compliant ;D ], your provider has a log of where you'r phone has been at what time, records information about your phone [ type and sim-info, this could include your messages and phone book ] and they can switch the microphone of your phone "on" when they want [ the last part not with all models ].

[ And before you reply, this is NOT some idea of mine or "secret". It's info provided by the phone company and the companies making the phones. Others part [ in the USoA for instance ] can be found in the law books that applie to the subject of [mobile] phone providers and placing tapes by governmental order. So there is NO conspiracy in that, they gove the info about that away for free, to any one asking for it, now you can't call that a conspiracy can you ?! ]

[Duneguy]

hrm, this is kinda off topic, yet on topic...

trips to the moon and such? what if we never really made it? what if it is all a cover up from the cold war to act liek we beat the soviets to the moon. it would be one more thing the goverment doesnt want us 2 know.

[Gunseng_Harkonnen]

If some organisation put bug to main general phone to know what army plan, it isn`t quite normal procedure. It could be the beginning of plot.

Duneguy, I have articles about it. They show there photos from moon and try to show as well every things that could be artificial. Some of them could be very interestimg if looks attentively. For exemple on the rocks that is near astronaut is number. They say that it could be mark of place from they borrowed stone.

[Caid Ivik]

What if were Russians on Moon first, but it's kept in secret because crew of (if existed) Zond XI died? It's true that Gagarin wasn't first in space. He was just first, who returned alive.

[Nyarlathotep]

I have seen a site where they showed photos of the first americans on the moon. This site suggested that it was all fake and explained their reason why next to the photo's.. Unfortunately, I can't remember or find that site..

[Gunseng_Harkonnen]

I have a lot of photos which Americans on the moon and each of them is supposed to be fake. And I had them on the web, I don`t remember adress too but it was lokal Factor webside.

[Caid Ivik]

How they pushed flag to wave on Moon without atmosphere?

[Nyarlathotep]

How they pushed flag to wave on Moon without atmosphere?

That's one of the things they brought up..

[ordos45]

I once watched a TV special on that and it had NASA's reasons why it did that and responses to other things which "proved" the hoax.

[gryphon]

You mean links like these ?http://brainsluice.tripod.com/moonlanding.htmlGot you didn't I ;)But what about these ones ?http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/2666/MoonHoax2.htmlhttp://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/News/2001/News-MoonLanding.asphttp://www.bismilah.com/stories&facts/interesting_facts_&_stories.htmIt looks like some of you are reading a little bit to much in "The unopend files", "Conspiracy theory" and mayby even "UFO Magazine" .. . .Does any of you know anything about photagraphs ? Most [ not all, I don't deny that ] of the "facts" they mentioned that should supposedly be wrong are "errors" caused by the photograpic equipment they used. Like high abd special ASA numbers so when you expose the film for a few seconds not all light shows up. I do like the photo's but if they are "so called experts" who published them and by lokking at them they saw they where false I start doubting the rest of there story if they fall over verrty simple errors.. ..Don't take it the wrong way, what I'm going to say is NOT ment as flaming or to put you down.But with "not believing your government" you mindlesly put your faith in other theories, theories that have been made usually just for that type of attraction. Can't you think about a subject yourself and draw your conclusions without any one else making them for you ?[ Again, I don't mean it offending but it just comes out that way. I don't know how to explain it on another way. And it doesn't apply to all of the posters on this topic. ]

[ordos45]

But with "not believing your government" you mindlesly put your faith in other theories, theories that have been made usually just for that type of attraction. Can't you think about a subject yourself and draw your conclusions without any one else making them for you ?

Well personally I do believe in NASA landing on the moon, and thanks, I forgot the name of the show about the hoax. Now just to see if Gryphin is right about how if it sounds real will you believe it?

Canada has negotiated with the United States to form a joint space force due to the fact war in space is inevitable. Is this true or false? (Yes I do know the answer to this one.)

[Duneguy]

lo, i happen to like the movie conspiracy theory..... lol, and X-Files is a very good show, lol.. yeah maybe i need to calm down a little.

[Gunseng_Harkonnen]

For me, I don`t believe both goverment for all and another side, I can`t believe everything that is against goverment. I just have opinion that not everything people do is fair and people have tendention to lie. For me pics of moon could be suspicous but I don`t take it as truth. We can only speculating about cos we don`t know facts. So this one who believe that they are fictional is the same this one who believe that pics are true without any clues. But we have tendention too to believe many things that are only possible. Thats we! ;)

I don`t say people who believes NASA are wrong. I just say that we don`t know for sure.

Some of X Files parts were interesting but last part wasn`t very good. This was sth off topic, I wrote. ;)

[Caid Ivik]

Canada has negotiated with the United States to form a joint space force due to the fact war in space is inevitable. Is this true or false? (Yes I do know the answer to this one.)

Is true that military superpowers with space program - USA and Russia - have it's own space weapons. There are rumors that China has them too, but it's hard to say how are these systems operational.

[gryphon]

"Canada has negotiated with the United States to form a joint space force due to the fact war in space is inevitable. Is this true or false?"

Hard to say. We know that sinds 1958 Canada and the USoA are cooperating on those fronts. And about the "joint space force", well Canada has some defence subcontracters for the US army and NASA, so they fit in there to. The US has plannes to place military satellites into space, for ground-supports use and for space-to-ground "defence". So that basically violates the threaty not to use space for military purposes. [ a bit more about a space wore is written below ]

So the main question is [ I think ], do you mean they are really going to figth IN space or just use space based objects for there ground war ? And the seconds part, is Canada strongly joint together with the USoA in that ?

My guesses, about the first. Space-to-ground is planend at the moment and I hope none of the countries are stupid enough to really do the first option.

The second part, due to the number of Candaian parts in the currets US military, governmental and space realted subject it would be verry possible for the US and Canada to have sutch an agrement. [ about space-to-ground or space-to-space ]

They might have it as a possible "worst case scenario" plan, but I think that [ besides from the anoing "terrorisme in space" mentioned below ]it's far from a possibilety at this time.

[ but then, when you "do know the answer", the answer must be "yes, true". If it should be "no, false" the argument could be you "don't know" the answer because there is always the posibilety that they are planning it without you knowing . .. ;) ]

Hope, this explains my view. . .. :)

"but it's hard to say how are these systems operational."

Not really that diffecult to guess. There are a lot of "missing" pounds of cargo [ possibly ] in some of the NASA missions. And not to mention the number of things being places in space from EAB. And the West isn't seeing any reports about what the China and Japan are putting up there.

Now some plans about a laser have been found at the location of Aum Shinrikyo that they "stole" from MHI. The Amerikans have planes for EMP technology in space and the Russians claim the same. Not to mention the SBR and SBL the US is going to place in orbit in a few years. You can speculate they already have an "unofficial" test version up there. But it must be said, that's speculation.

Last, the hudge amount of satellites that get "lost in space". You'd be supprised how much satellites "don't work". When the launch can be done that precise, they malfunction or start malfunctioning in a few day's. [ This only applies to satellites that are placed in space by means of a rocked, not the space shuttle ]

But again, it's speculation. They can be real satellites and not the "secret military ones", and really get damaged by space debries in stead of an enamies EMP-sat.

And for those who are insterrested, my opinion about NASA and the moon .. . . I don't have one.