Black_Emperor Posted March 7, 2002 Posted March 7, 2002 they pretty much suck except what? the kobra, sabotaur, and the deviator. The harkonnen flamethrowers have longer range than a chem, no one cares about the dust scouts "dig in the dirt" ability, AA troops dont hurt as much as Hark Troops and do more damage to airborne "how many planes do ppl usually use other than carryalls and what...4 gunships/onis?, and the atredies kunjas do more damage than the morters
Timenn Posted March 7, 2002 Posted March 7, 2002 Kobra is strong if you know how to handle it.The Saboteur sucks indeed (Engineer is more affective)The Deviator kicks ass on enemy harvesters and rushes(while moving) Chem-Trooper is better vs armor, the dust scouts are escpecially in the beginning very strong and effective vs infanteryAA Troopers have a quicker rate of fire. (They have less time needed to initiaze their weapons and fire when they have a target)EITS is good when the enemy forgets about AAMortars have a longer range and can fire on cliffs...All: Ordos are good, but you need to know at what points...
Black_Emperor Posted March 7, 2002 Author Posted March 7, 2002 alright....good point, but as a fact, at least half of their units are useless, the harkonnen have about 70% of its units having abilities useful to the user and the atredies have about 85% of its units useful to the user.
Timenn Posted March 7, 2002 Posted March 7, 2002 What, what is a useless unit then? Except for the single Saboteur...
Chaos_Storm Posted March 7, 2002 Posted March 7, 2002 Rather, what situations make which units useless? Every unit has its purpose and shines in certain situations. You'd be dumb to send Chem troopers against Flame tanks - send Laser tanks instead or if it is a lone Flame tank, several AA troopers.Some favourable situations:The saboteur is a deterrant to overruning vehicles and a very efficient way of taking down lots of windtraps in a farm quickly, provided it can get a clear run (e.g. build a barracks after capturing an enemy structure and produce Saboteurs to quickly take down buildings). EITS groups are one of the quickest ways of killing an enemy, provided you can remove enemy AA and you have money. Mortar genocide infantry and light vehicles, especially if used in groups and the enemy sends large groups of units. Even more effective if you can provide obstacles (e.g. Chem troopers, saboteurs) to slow them down to get hit by the Mortar shells. Laser tanks can handle just about any vehicle when micromanaged properly and with a lot of space. AA troopers have a much better chance at hitting aircraft and very fast vehicles. Dust scouts are deadly early-rush units due to speed and regeneration, and with guard order off, can be accumulated in dust bowls without being detected, not even by scouts. Deviators spell doom to defences with Minotauruses, Sonic Tanks, Kobras or Devastators. Even AA mines have their uses (see my thread).Black_Emperor, go into detail about "as a fact, at least half of their units are useless". Go through each unit that you consider useless and state why. Also go through the "useful" units of the other Houses and what makes them "useful", especially against Ordos.
Black_Emperor Posted March 7, 2002 Author Posted March 7, 2002 Ok! ok! dont have to give me an essay about a gamecalm down man
jacobdouds Posted March 7, 2002 Posted March 7, 2002 The Ordos units are units best for speciality tasks. They are not all round and they need careful thought before been used.
Sardauker-Kirov Posted March 8, 2002 Posted March 8, 2002 Just like every unit of "every" House. Oh yeah Timenn? I thought Gas was effective against infantry instead of Armour  ;DDid they make an New "mix"  ( Sandworm killer  :O )Heh heh.Anyways, I think the Ordos are very effective. Much more effective then the Atreides i supose.
jacobdouds Posted March 9, 2002 Posted March 9, 2002 Worm Killer. hehe But the other houses units uses are more clear and obvious.
gunner154 Posted March 9, 2002 Posted March 9, 2002 put it this way, the Ordos' best units are theKobraLaser TankDeviatorDust ScoutAPCEITSMortar Infantry
Sardauker-Kirov Posted March 9, 2002 Posted March 9, 2002 Almost every units of the Ordos rock. You just need to think fast. Like the Executrix. Speed is Relevant!Slowness is irrelevant!!!Ordos is also the best house against Atreides to My opinion.
Sardauker-Kirov Posted March 9, 2002 Posted March 9, 2002 Oh yeah i did. *Grabs his mind and puts it back in his skull*The Executrix loaned my mind for a second. Â ;DExecution of Failure is not Possible!
jacobdouds Posted March 9, 2002 Posted March 9, 2002 *gurgle* Damn brain keeps falling out. I'm okay.Kirov - Slowness is relevent. If it was irrelevent it wouldn't matter if they were slow. Everything is relevent in some way.
jacobdouds Posted March 10, 2002 Posted March 10, 2002 death is relevent. If you die, you fail, therefore death is relevent to non failure.
Sardauker-Kirov Posted March 10, 2002 Posted March 10, 2002 Ordos are already quick, So why should they care about slowness?I think Harkonnen would rather think about that Situation.
jacobdouds Posted March 10, 2002 Posted March 10, 2002 Yes, they are slow. There fastest units is only a bit faster then our slowest unit. No wonder they arrived late on arrakis.
Sardauker-Kirov Posted March 10, 2002 Posted March 10, 2002 Ummm? Didnt the Ordos arived as the last house on Arrakis, I mean they already fought with the Atreides for a long time on Arrakis... ( *Shrugs confused* )
jacobdouds Posted March 10, 2002 Posted March 10, 2002 According to Dune2k campaign. Harkonnen arrived first. Ordos took the best land. Atreides took strategic quarins.
Black_Emperor Posted March 11, 2002 Author Posted March 11, 2002 does it matter who arrived 1st? harks are strong but slowordos are fast but weak as hellatreides are strong in defense but suck at offenseAny questions?
Sardauker-Kirov Posted March 11, 2002 Posted March 11, 2002 Yes, But dont call the Ordos weak. They are supose to be sneaky and can be deadly upon the other houses when using Superior Tactic's *Nods to Edric and Jacob*(( Besides, Ordos and Harkonnen are my favorite houses ))
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