Peter Pan is Free

[GUNWOUNDS]

Not everyone has the desire to have sex, and even if they do, some people can control such desires, hence A-Sexuality/Celibacy

Yea like the catholic priests right?

[Anathema]

It's a slim minority of priests that molest children (nevertheless a big problem of course), 9 out of 10 do control their urges.

[GUNWOUNDS]

and i wouldnt put michael above a priest.

i think a priest who dedicated his life to celibacy would try harder to control himself over someone like michael who is a pop star and is use to getting what he WANTS.

[Anathema]

I was defending priests, not Michael ;)

He may or he may not have molested kids, it can't be proven and that's all there's to it IMO.

[GUNWOUNDS]

yea but that type of logic wouldnt apply to regular people....

"Make believe this wasn

[ken124578]

Gunwounds, uptil now you've only speculated. Where's the cold hard evidence?!

[VigilVirus]

John Q. Public would have never been brought up on false charges either, because he doesn't have quite enough money to lose.

[Khan]

Yea like the catholic priests right?

[GUNWOUNDS]

shit the fact that he went from black to white and sleeps in bed with kids and has no female relations at teh age of 46.... thats plenty of "psychology" right there... you dont need a professional to know that michael is a wack job.

[Khan]

Actually you do, most people just think they can tell sociopathy or psychosis from stuff like this. Surgery, merely low self esteem, I've thought about it loads, just never had the balls/money. (the more I feel I can relate to this guy the more scared I get :P) We've been through 'no female relations' but maybe he wants to feel normal so dates women with no true desires to, and lets them sleep around so that they are gratified that way (hence the kids) he could be a virgin but to ashamed to admit it (can't relate to that phew ;)).

You don't know all the facts so you can't to a proper psychological analysis.

[GUNWOUNDS]

That is self mutilation not plastic surgery.... everyone cringes when they look at him.  He isnt flagrantly gay and he isnt celibate.... so not having female relations at that age (not even hookers?) is pretty bizzare.  It seems that all he does is masterbate. (police found lots of porno) ... and while masterbation isnt a crime its hardly a substitute for the real thing and he will have to relieve himself on something "real" to be fully satisfied (hence the kiddies).

Sure he may have low self-esteem and all that jive... but the fact remains  that he is a 46 yr old man with a penis and that kids should not be sleeping with him EVERY night.

This wouldnt be tolerated for John Q. Public and this shouldnt be tolerated for MJ.

[Khan]

So he wanks, and he wanks to...... Heterosexual porn, not kiddie porn, not even gay porn, he likes women is all you've proven, and people don't go, 'well I like wanking to women, little boys must be the same'. I don't even know why I'm saying this, there's no point, Micheal Jackson has NEVER touched any little children, and he's never supplied alchol to minors. He may have done things that are starnge, but so far nothing illegal, and nothing that could be considered dangerous to anyone (or he would have been sectioned). Face it dude, Jackson has never done anything wrong. He's done strange stuff, but everyone has.

[GUNWOUNDS]

Yea i guess your right... when you stop and think about it... he is just like the rest of us and he's quite normal.

[Khan]

Err greek times is a tad different to our times, they were taught from a young age that such a thing was normal. But yeah something happened 2000 years ago, then stopped happening, someone must have started doing it again, that's a much more likely explanation than someone getting accused of something, then getting found innocent, yet people can't let it go.

I hate it when people use the pay off thing, something I found out the other day, apparently Jackson didn't pay off the kid, his insurance company did. Besdies think about it, someone molests you, then offers you $93 million to keep quiet, would you do it, or carry on the court case, which would probably get you the $93 million anyway. Is it likely someone would think like that or is it more likely a gold digger wanted money, put jackson in a comprimising position then took the money the fastest way they could. I wish more people thought about what they read and see in the media...

[GUNWOUNDS]

well if you dont like the greek example.. use the prison sex example...

[Khan]

Right but prisoners have no chance of being with a woman, jackson has the oppertunity to sleep with women but rejects it, and he shows no interest in men.

[Mahdi]

Stupid jurours.

"We agreed that Micheal Jackson molested children, but we didn't like the accusers mother so we let him go."

[Wolf]

Sexual harassment of a minor does not need to involve actual sexual intercourse. Inappropriate touching, conversation, or evern conduct can condemn an individual for molestation. In addition, in many states if intimate touching or conduct occurs when either party, underage or no is under the influence of alcohol, it is considered sexual misconduct. Michael Jackson admitted to sleeping with underage individuals in his bed, and it is fairly well-documented that he served minors alcohol. If it were up to me, if I couldn't prove Michael Jackson sexually mistreated young boys in any way, I would just put the man away for 20 years for serving alcohol to minors. The only verdict that really angered me was the "Not Guilty" for serving alcohol to minors. He all but admitted that, and the judge and jury should have seized on that as their excuse to haul him off.

EDIT: Oh, and one more thing. I allude to the trial of infamous mobster Al Capone, who, we all know full well, engaged in robbery, murder, prostitution, mayhem, extortion, blackmail, and bribery. However, he was able to cast so much doubt/threaten the lives of the jurors so well that, in trial, he could not be convicted for any of the above. But, he could not cover up the fact that all of his illegally-earned money was never reported to the IRS -- so, the court audited Capone, and the judge threw him away for life for the crime of tax evasion. I feel something similiar should have happened here.

[alchemi2]

Ever considered that he was advised badly to make the pay off last time! thinking that it would avoid ruining his public image, career etc and now realising that it hadnt helped last time, this time he thought i'll protect and prove my innocence once and for all. Oh and he did get cleared on all ten charges. He made himself ill and had his lifestyle examined under microscope but it was worth it coz now he is cleared, free and able to get on with life. :O

Whoops he didn't take into account the no smoke without fire syndrome. So he must be guilty of course he should have just paid the cash and then he would have been ok. ::)

It takes a lifetime to build a good reputation but only an accusation to destory it, sad really but true. >:(

[VigilVirus]

Sexual harassment of a minor does not need to involve actual sexual intercourse. Inappropriate touching, conversation, or evern conduct can condemn an individual for molestation. In addition, in many states if intimate touching or conduct occurs when either party, underage or no is under the influence of alcohol, it is considered sexual misconduct. Michael Jackson admitted to sleeping with underage individuals in his bed, and it is fairly well-documented that he served minors alcohol. If it were up to me, if I couldn't prove Michael Jackson sexually mistreated young boys in any way, I would just put the man away for 20 years for serving alcohol to minors. The only verdict that really angered me was the "Not Guilty" for serving alcohol to minors. He all but admitted that, and the judge and jury should have seized on that as their excuse to haul him off.

EDIT: Oh, and one more thing. I allude to the trial of infamous mobster Al Capone, who, we all know full well, engaged in robbery, murder, prostitution, mayhem, extortion, blackmail, and bribery. However, he was able to cast so much doubt/threaten the lives of the jurors so well that, in trial, he could not be convicted for any of the above. But, he could not cover up the fact that all of his illegally-earned money was never reported to the IRS -- so, the court audited Capone, and the judge threw him away for life for the crime of tax evasion. I feel something similiar should have happened here.

20 years for serving alcohol to minors? What kind of a ridiculous punishment is that? That's something that happens in almost every household almost every day. What planet do you live on? And don't compare Jackson to Al Capone, cause that's just bullshit. All the witnesses presented their case - the jury decided. The victims were money-hungry crooks and the jury saw that in their badly presented story. This is the same exact thing that happened to Kobe Bryant and his alleged rape of some hoe. We simply cannot afford to let these kinds of things even enter a court of law not to mention to win. Every civil case won against celebrities for with a multimillion dollar reward to the "victim" is just another attraction for another one of these lawsuits. And these lawsuits will always be vague - based on hearsay and so called "character analysis" - basically because no one has any evidence. These people must lose and they must be punished for their false accusations.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Since when is screaming "he raped me!" or "he molested me!" a sufficient argument for that charge to pass with a jury anyway?

[GUNWOUNDS]

alleged rape of some hoe

oh i see... so sluts deserve to be raped?

A kid with cancer and a crooked mother deserves to be molested?

Gimme a break.

You make it seem like the Celebrities have it sooooooooo

[GUNWOUNDS]

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Since when is screaming "he raped me!" or "he molested me!" a sufficient argument for that charge to pass with a jury anyway?

Well Kobe had his semen all inside the "hoe" ... so we know he had sex with her.

[Khan]

Micheal Jackson hasn't molested anyone or given alcohol to any minors, it was proven in a court of law. You need a better argument, everything you've said about his immorality is either conjecture or untrue.

[VigilVirus]

oh i see... so sluts deserve to be raped?

When did I ever say that? It was however proven, that her injuries are consistent with someone who had sex with lots of men in a small period of time rather than rape. And if you ask which of the two stories I'd rather believe:

- Kobe raped that woman just for the hell of it, despite the fact that he knew it would damage his image and career.

- The woman demanded money after threatening to name Kobe as her rapist after they had sex

I'd definitely believe the second. You know why? Cause it's the current fad to accuse celebrities of rape and molestation and hope they'll settle it with large sums of money, which they almost always do.

[Megashrap]

Micheal Jackson hasn't molested anyone or given alcohol to any minors, it was proven in a court of law.

I disagree, the only thing proven in that case was the prosecution relied far too much on thier star witnesses. What gets me were people outside the courthouse releasing dove's, crying etc. like that verdict was some sort of instant demon to angel transformation that cannot ever be questioned again, and the earth is now in great harmony. Do you really think that the case proved that he didn't or could never have done just some of those things, given the fact that for one, he said himself that he slept in the same bed with kids and felt it was "normal"? For me, that admission alone is enough to send red flags screaming up a pole. Take away the stardom, the plastic surguries, money etc..etc. and imagine it's just your nieghbor for instance that said he sleeps with kids and finds it a "normal" thing to do. any way you look at it that is some disturbing behavior.