Connections between Dune and Christianity

[nampigai]

True, but the word of Islam was the spread by a great Jihad.

[exatreide]

Not to mention the Jew reference in Chapterhouse.

[quoudam72]

Now guys before we get too deep into the Islam and the "sword thing" let us remember that every one of the monolithic relgions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) at one point or another fought with swords (and each other) for whatever purpose. And Ex that is the second time you have made that reference to Chapterhouse about it's mention of the Jewish culture (or mystism) being covered in secrets, that is what your are refering to are you not?

[nampigai]

I wonder if FH was jew himself. It's strange to see that jewism (or whatever it's called) have outlived Islam and christianity.

[quoudam72]

:) Feyd what do you mean Christianity and Islam are not dead, Judaism has not outlived either one. Judaism might have been around longer than the other two in some form. And the word that you are looking for would be Judaism/jewish not jewism. lol

[nampigai]

No I mean that christianity and Islam have changed and evolved into a mixture, whereas Judaism (thanks fed ;D), didn't change,. That's just the way I'm seeing it.

[quoudam72]

Ok I now understand you better than before, but I will say this with closer examination you might find that even Judaism has evolved in a certain aspect. It's the only thing intelligent creatures can do with the progression of time no matter the cultural and or ethinical background they are born.

[nampigai]

You're right.

[nemafakei]

... which equates to the emulation quote, since emulation on emulation always evolves.

And Monolithic religions mean that the religions all have only one rock. Monotheistic is one God. Slight difference.

(What's having one Gob, then?)

[quoudam72]

mon-o-lith: n. 1. A large block of stone used in architecture or sculpture. 2. A large oragnization that acts as a powerful unit. monolithic- adj. Are you and I both right?  :)

[cccp7x]

Dune is not based exclusivly on the religion of Christianity/Catholicism, but it is based on the founding or major prinicples/beliefs of all the Earth religions. This composite of Old Terra is seen throughout the Dune Chronicles.

[ordos45]

First I want to say that both Islam and Christianity have prohibitions about killing...well let's look at that.  We have the Crusades, and a Holy War or two.

Next is Monotheism: The belief in on God or Goddess.

Polytheism: The belief in more than one deity.

Then I just want to say that I really don't like the use of the word evolution in a sentence about how religion has changed.

[nampigai]

I don't know how Herbert imagine religions mixed together. there's nothing that can start wars like religion I don't even wanna mention any it's obvious.

[nemafakei]

Assuming your dictionary is correct, fed both is correct (my copy of the Oxford English doesn't mention point 2, but does mention something else). Note that the word is mono - lith, not mon - o - lith in analysis of stems.

Ordos is also correct in the mono / poli - theism. Note also Pantheon, pan meaning all.

Finally, religion must evolve. It evolves or dies, since 'only fluid is stable' (somewhere in ChoD) - in the everchanging human environment, religion must adapt to new concepts and systems as we take them on board to survive - if you were to place an early Aztec religion in a developed country now, it would die, due to conflict with our current beliefs of freedom and choice to live.

[quoudam72]

Ok Nema, but the part about the stems that was actually the dictionary syllabication.

[nemafakei]

Thought it might have been, but wasn't sure. Weird dictionary.

[Digital Guerrilla]

Nema and Fed no matter what words you use both of you are right the only thing that seperates you are your different perspectives one of you guys is a right-brain while the other is a left-brain.  8)lol

[quoudam72]

Ok point taken Sandwraith.

Nema that is a very true statement (IMO) about religion changing as man changes. Look at the early beliefs of mankind and how as over periods of time some aspects were kept while others were disregarded. The early development of religion is very interesting but not to stray completly from the subject the real connection between Dune and Christianity could just come from where ever your central beliefs of faith lie.

[Edric O]

"very few Religions aren't spread by the sword"

... Christianity being one of them (at least in the early days, anyway).

Herbert was a master at warping and mixing the knowledge of the present to make his future more realistic. Look at how our history was warped in the Dune Encyclopaedia. He did the same with Religion.

Mahdi, I think that Dune has more in common with Islam than with Christianity. That's because it uses so many arab and islamic words.

[Mahdi]

There seems to be a bit of a misconception going around here taht my post meant that the religion of Dune is absed on Christianity.

Thats not what I meant.

I was merely ponting out a similarity between Dune and Christiaity that  noticed.

In fact, if you could go back in time, you'd see me argueing with MechaDragon, claiming that Christian values are barly represented in Dune at all, with Mecha argueing that they were the main theme.

[Edric O]

Well, I would have been on your side in that argument. Christian values do seem to have dissapeared in the Duniverse...

[gunner154]

Ever heard of those Jihad stuff and Ayesa?

Jihad is a revolt.

Ayesa means Jesus.

There ARE connections between the 2 of them.

[Edric O]

Jihad is an arabic word meaning "holy struggle". Jesus spoke hebrew.

Nope, I don't see the connection...

[nemafakei]

So, do we agree that there is a lot of connection between religion in the Dune Universe and religion on earth, but no Dunic religions are directly and totally based on any one of ours?

[Mahdi]

I don't think anyone would disagree with that.  Or that he also made up quite a bit of stuff as well as using pre-existing religions.