nampigai Posted December 30, 2001 Share Posted December 30, 2001 True, but the word of Islam was the spread by a great Jihad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exatreide Posted December 30, 2001 Share Posted December 30, 2001 Not to mention the Jew reference in Chapterhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted December 31, 2001 Share Posted December 31, 2001 Now guys before we get too deep into the Islam and the "sword thing" let us remember that every one of the monolithic relgions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) at one point or another fought with swords (and each other) for whatever purpose. And Ex that is the second time you have made that reference to Chapterhouse about it's mention of the Jewish culture (or mystism) being covered in secrets, that is what your are refering to are you not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nampigai Posted December 31, 2001 Share Posted December 31, 2001 I wonder if FH was jew himself. It's strange to see that jewism (or whatever it's called) have outlived Islam and christianity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted December 31, 2001 Share Posted December 31, 2001 :) Feyd what do you mean Christianity and Islam are not dead, Judaism has not outlived either one. Judaism might have been around longer than the other two in some form. And the word that you are looking for would be Judaism/jewish not jewism. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nampigai Posted December 31, 2001 Share Posted December 31, 2001 No I mean that christianity and Islam have changed and evolved into a mixture, whereas Judaism (thanks fed ;D), didn't change,. That's just the way I'm seeing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted December 31, 2001 Share Posted December 31, 2001 Ok I now understand you better than before, but I will say this with closer examination you might find that even Judaism has evolved in a certain aspect. It's the only thing intelligent creatures can do with the progression of time no matter the cultural and or ethinical background they are born. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nampigai Posted December 31, 2001 Share Posted December 31, 2001 You're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemafakei Posted December 31, 2001 Share Posted December 31, 2001 ... which equates to the emulation quote, since emulation on emulation always evolves.And Monolithic religions mean that the religions all have only one rock. Monotheistic is one God. Slight difference. (What's having one Gob, then?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted December 31, 2001 Share Posted December 31, 2001 mon-o-lith: n. 1. A large block of stone used in architecture or sculpture. 2. A large oragnization that acts as a powerful unit. monolithic- adj. Are you and I both right? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccp7x Posted December 31, 2001 Share Posted December 31, 2001 Dune is not based exclusivly on the religion of Christianity/Catholicism, but it is based on the founding or major prinicples/beliefs of all the Earth religions. This composite of Old Terra is seen throughout the Dune Chronicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordos45 Posted January 1, 2002 Share Posted January 1, 2002 First I want to say that both Islam and Christianity have prohibitions about killing...well let's look at that. We have the Crusades, and a Holy War or two.Next is Monotheism: The belief in on God or Goddess.Polytheism: The belief in more than one deity.Then I just want to say that I really don't like the use of the word evolution in a sentence about how religion has changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nampigai Posted January 2, 2002 Share Posted January 2, 2002 I don't know how Herbert imagine religions mixed together. there's nothing that can start wars like religion I don't even wanna mention any it's obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemafakei Posted January 2, 2002 Share Posted January 2, 2002 Assuming your dictionary is correct, fed both is correct (my copy of the Oxford English doesn't mention point 2, but does mention something else). Note that the word is mono - lith, not mon - o - lith in analysis of stems.Ordos is also correct in the mono / poli - theism. Note also Pantheon, pan meaning all.Finally, religion must evolve. It evolves or dies, since 'only fluid is stable' (somewhere in ChoD) - in the everchanging human environment, religion must adapt to new concepts and systems as we take them on board to survive - if you were to place an early Aztec religion in a developed country now, it would die, due to conflict with our current beliefs of freedom and choice to live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted January 2, 2002 Share Posted January 2, 2002 Ok Nema, but the part about the stems that was actually the dictionary syllabication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemafakei Posted January 2, 2002 Share Posted January 2, 2002 Thought it might have been, but wasn't sure. Weird dictionary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital Guerrilla Posted January 2, 2002 Share Posted January 2, 2002 Nema and Fed no matter what words you use both of you are right the only thing that seperates you are your different perspectives one of you guys is a right-brain while the other is a left-brain. 8)lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted January 5, 2002 Share Posted January 5, 2002 Ok point taken Sandwraith. Nema that is a very true statement (IMO) about religion changing as man changes. Look at the early beliefs of mankind and how as over periods of time some aspects were kept while others were disregarded. The early development of religion is very interesting but not to stray completly from the subject the real connection between Dune and Christianity could just come from where ever your central beliefs of faith lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edric O Posted January 5, 2002 Share Posted January 5, 2002 "very few Religions aren't spread by the sword"... Christianity being one of them (at least in the early days, anyway).Herbert was a master at warping and mixing the knowledge of the present to make his future more realistic. Look at how our history was warped in the Dune Encyclopaedia. He did the same with Religion.Mahdi, I think that Dune has more in common with Islam than with Christianity. That's because it uses so many arab and islamic words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahdi Posted January 5, 2002 Author Share Posted January 5, 2002 There seems to be a bit of a misconception going around here taht my post meant that the religion of Dune is absed on Christianity.Thats not what I meant.I was merely ponting out a similarity between Dune and Christiaity that noticed.In fact, if you could go back in time, you'd see me argueing with MechaDragon, claiming that Christian values are barly represented in Dune at all, with Mecha argueing that they were the main theme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edric O Posted January 5, 2002 Share Posted January 5, 2002 Well, I would have been on your side in that argument. Christian values do seem to have dissapeared in the Duniverse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner154 Posted January 5, 2002 Share Posted January 5, 2002 Ever heard of those Jihad stuff and Ayesa?Jihad is a revolt.Ayesa means Jesus.There ARE connections between the 2 of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edric O Posted January 5, 2002 Share Posted January 5, 2002 Jihad is an arabic word meaning "holy struggle". Jesus spoke hebrew.Nope, I don't see the connection... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemafakei Posted January 5, 2002 Share Posted January 5, 2002 So, do we agree that there is a lot of connection between religion in the Dune Universe and religion on earth, but no Dunic religions are directly and totally based on any one of ours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahdi Posted January 5, 2002 Author Share Posted January 5, 2002 I don't think anyone would disagree with that. Or that he also made up quite a bit of stuff as well as using pre-existing religions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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