Anybody else here a Ruskie?

[Caid Ivik]

Country itself has nothing to do with it, just the rule was at wrong hands. I rather won't judge Putin, but was there a good ruler in Russia, anyway?

[Imperial Sardaukar]

Just a question Imperial Sardaukar, do you consider yourself a communist?

No, I see that Communism is flawed. But wether or not I am Communist does not change the fact that I am Russian, and I will gladly defend my country and it's history where defense is needed.

[Caid Ivik]

No, I see that Communism is flawed. But wether or not I am Communist does not change the fact that I am Russian, and I will gladly defend my country and it's history where defense is needed.

Бcтaвaй cтpaнa нapoднaя, вcтaвaй нa cмepтний бoй!  ;D

[Jack Leaf]

Why 'advocates'? You don't really think Soviet Union was an Empire of Eternal Evil, do you?!

I've been born in USSR. I don't see anything wrong with it (except my Motherland does not exist anymore...). People who lived in USSR and now live in post-Soviet Russia aren't any mutants, aliens or whatsoever (and neither they are 'idiots', as someone suggested above) - they are the same people that live in any other country of the world.

True, there have been many dark pages in our history - but which country boasts having only good things in its past?

P.S. My Internet provider SUCKS!!! I HATE THEM!!!

I checked the word "supporter" from Finnish-English-Finnish dictionary and decided that advocate was a better word, as it is a word for a supporter of.. (what was the world again?), theory, idea. Some.

I'm not saying people of former Soviet Union are mutants, aliens, or whatever. But you HAVE to confess that the rules of Stalin's "communism" did create generations of systematical mechanical idiots. I don't mean to be offensive, but U.S.S.R did far more bad than good.

[MrFlibble]

Power, in any form, attracts corrupted people. Communism or fascism (or democracy, or some religion, etc.) is just a tool of control, so it's not communism to be blamed but people themselves.

Most people can do little or nothing to change the situation in a country. They adapt to the system, and some gain egoistic benefits from it. The more power, the more you can do for yourself, not caring about anyone else. It is, of course, kind of a bad thing, and the idea of commmunism is actually against it (egoism, I mean).

[Edric O]

*ahem*

You're having a discussion about communism without me? ;D

For our newer members, allow me to introduce myself: I am an ardent communist, a regular poster on the Politics, Religion, & Philosophy forum, and a veteran of political debates here and elsewhere. I have been rather inactive on FED2k lately, mainly due to real life and activity on other forums, but I hope to address this problem as soon as I can.

I would be happy to clarify any misconceptions regarding the issues of communism and socialism. For the moment, though, I see only general comments:

No, I see that Communism is flawed.

Flawed in what way? And, for that matter, what exactly do you mean by "communism"? (there is, unfortunetaly, a large amount of confusion regarding the meaning of "communism" - most people confuse communism with stalinism)

I'm not saying people of former Soviet Union are mutants, aliens, or whatever. But you HAVE to confess that the rules of Stalin's "communism" did create generations of systematical mechanical idiots.

Well, I certainly despise Stalin, but "systematical mechanical idiots"? What are you talking about? Stalin killed people, of course, but the people of the Soviet Union were far from being "idiots" - in fact, some of the world's brightest minds came from the Soviet Union.

I don't mean to be offensive, but U.S.S.R did far more bad than good.

I wouldn't pass any such judgements, because, after all, who knows what would have happened if the USSR never existed? The entire history of the 20th century would have been radically different. There's no way of knowing whether the USSR was good or bad because we don't know what the alternative would have been like.

Power, in any form, attracts corrupted people. Communism or fascism (or democracy, or some religion, etc.) is just a tool of control, so it's not communism to be blamed but people themselves.

Well, it is of course true that power corrupts (and absolute power corrupts absolutely). That's why dictatorships tend to be bad for the people. Very bad. I don't understand what exactly you mean by "tool of control", but you may be correct if you're talking about the fact that one of the main purposes of a political system is to give power and control over a certain thing to a certain group of people. For example, democracy (and communism, because communism is built on a democratic framework) gives power to the people.

[Mihail]

*ahem*

You're having a discussion about communism without me? ;D

For our newer members, allow me to introduce myself: I am an ardent communist, a regular poster on the Politics, Religion, & Philosophy forum, and a veteran of political debates here and elsewhere. I have been rather inactive on FED2k lately, mainly due to real life and activity on other forums, but I hope to address this problem as soon as I can.

I would be happy to clarify any misconceptions regarding the issues of communism and socialism. For the moment, though, I see only general comments:

Flawed in what way? And, for that matter, what exactly do you mean by "communism"? (there is, unfortunetaly, a large amount of confusion regarding the meaning of "communism" - most people confuse communism with stalinism)

Well, I certainly despise Stalin, but "systematical mechanical idiots"? What are you talking about? Stalin killed people, of course, but the people of the Soviet Union were far from being "idiots" - in fact, some of the world's brightest minds came from the Soviet Union.

I wouldn't pass any such judgements, because, after all, who knows what would have happened if the USSR never existed? The entire history of the 20th century would have been radically different. There's no way of knowing whether the USSR was good or bad because we don't know what the alternative would have been like.

Well, it is of course true that power corrupts (and absolute power corrupts absolutely). That's why dictatorships tend to be bad for the people. Very bad. I don't understand what exactly you mean by "tool of control", but you may be correct if you're talking about the fact that one of the main purposes of a political system is to give power and control over a certain thing to a certain group of people. For example, democracy (and communism, because communism is built on a democratic framework) gives power to the people.

What he said. ;)

[Imperial Sardaukar]

What I meant by flawed wasn't it wasn't possible, but I meant that currently, no one would like or want it. People just arn't willing to adapt to Communism, and they definetly won't after hearing the propaganda and lies (like the crap lowzeewee keeps posting) People just have it in their heads communism=bad. That's what I meant.

[Caid Ivik]

I would say such discussion is more for PRP...

[Jack Leaf]

Edric, here's a great example:

You're a pilot. You have to fly x amount of kilometres and it has been calculated that it will take y amount of cooling liquid and z amount of fuel.

- What did most of the pilots do?

Sell the fuel to your neighbour, drink the cooling liquid (it wasn't poisoned).

[nemafakei]

Jack, context?

Not sure if it needs moving quite yet. If there's enough intermittent conversation about russia, it can stay here.

[lowzeewee]

Chairman Mao, leader of Communist China up till the mid-70s, has been said(according to his son and his son's book) to patch his few sets of clothes and undergarments over a hundred times when they were torn because he didn't want to "waste" money to get a new one and he also ate only plain rice for all 3 meals for the same reason as that of his patching of clothes. That's communism for you. ;D

The best non-alcoholic drink ever: Kvac! ;D

[Imperial Sardaukar]

Although I don't really like Mao, what's wrong with repairing your clothes and eating simple food?

[Anathema]

Consider the source: his own son. I don't believe a word of it, considering some of his other habits (such as the hundreds of women he had)

Also later it turned out that most of the time he didn't wear clothes when not in public, because he feared to be spyed on by microphones.

[nemafakei]

I'd be too afraid of being spied on by cameras to do that.

[Imperial Sardaukar]

Hey, the Dutch flag and current Russian flag are almost identical except the colors are placed in a different order. :-

[Caid Ivik]

And look at my slovak flag, it is terrible what everything Meciar did to make our homelands closer  ;D

[Edric O]

Chairman Mao, leader of Communist China up till the mid-70s, has been said (according to his son and his son's book) to patch his few sets of clothes and undergarments over a hundred times when they were torn because he didn't want to "waste" money to get a new one and he also ate only plain rice for all 3 meals for the same reason as that of his patching of clothes. That's communism for you. ;D

Actually, that would be a positive trait in a leader, since it shows that he refuses to live in luxury (like others did, especially in China). Think about it: If a leader chooses to live like a common man, that's a GOOD thing.

[Caid Ivik]

Common man with common values and common view at the others he don't know...