Slow games of Emp are the most strategic of all

[Warskum]

sure i can prove it and have vs. almost everyone of the guys flaming me in this thread.

[Navaros]

Thats fair enough, but surely the bulk of the gamers on this forum do not make up the bulk of EMP players worldwide?

(note, I am not trying to debunk you.)

my QM stats speak for themselves.  most of the guys flaming me did not even own Emperor when i was winning (or at least gaining very high ranks) in the QM Tourneys month after month.  fact is, you can't get to the top of the official WOL ATR Ladder - which i did month after month - without having excellent micro and being a great player

any truthful person who has played with me or against me on WOL will attest to the fact that my micro as just about as good as can be, in fast or slow games.  the guys trying to agitiate me in this thread just get their rocks off by flaming me.  they don't really think my micro sucks

[wraith126]

everytime u feel challenged u refer back to QM

QM is dead so refer to something a little more up-to-date

(and dont fill it with bs)

[graveside]

hmm the highest I seen you rank was number 3, and even then you avoided anyone half decent.

[EWS]

I think I should just point out that I have never played Emp online, and would probably suck at it (like I do at most stragey games) and so can not hold you to your word at that.  However, being an avid gamer at CS and DoD, I find that alot of the best players stay away from ladders as they believe that they are not very good.  Further, most stray away from clans as they prefer to be alone.  However, unless you are crowned "The Greatest Emp Player in the World.... Ever!!" I think it may be wise not to proclaim your greatness, it just seems to be annoying everyone.  And we all really just want to be a big happy family!

[Navaros]

hmm the highest I seen you rank was number 3, and even then you avoided anyone half decent.

funny this comes from *you*, a guy who used to duck me in QM all the time after i beat him with his Graveside nick.

[Warskum]

I have played like 5 QM games, why? becuz i donnot care for ranks i play for fun not for ranks, ranks never ment anything for me.

Any1 can easily get on the top by playing noobs and thats what you do since you kick everyone decent out of your game.

I did not play you, but in this thread you say that its impossible to mirco units in fast games, wich means its impossible for you=ur mirco sux!

U say that ur mirco can be as good as it can be, bullshit cuz if it was as good as it can be then you would be able of controlling ur units in fast games. The way you say it once again shows that you think that you are superior(as good as it can be). Nav the sad part is the ppl who didnt had the game back then own you, so in 3 years you learned nothing...sad

[Navaros]

I have played like 5 QM games, why? becuz i donnot care for ranks i play for fun not for ranks, ranks never ment anything for me.

Any1 can easily get on the top by playing noobs and thats what you do since you kick everyone decent out of your game.

I did not play you, but in this thread you say that its impossible to mirco units in fast games, wich means its impossible for you=ur mirco sux!

U say that ur mirco can be as good as it can be, bullshit cuz if it was as good as it can be then you would be able of controlling ur units in fast games. The way you say it once again shows that you think that you are superior(as good as it can be). Nav the sad part is the ppl who didnt had the game back then own you, so in 3 years you learned nothing...sad

i CAN

[Warskum]

Nav i am a wizard and i can make change ppl into frogs.

U believe this? I think not and thats why i dont believe you. I can state so much into my posts but that doesnt makes it treu.

Your last posts means that you can only control ur units the way you want wenn the game is slow and wenn its fast you cannot control them like you would like to controll them. Well most of the players i know can and that means that there micro is better then urs and that also mean your micro sux in a fast game, since you cannot controll ur units properly. The meaning of micro is to controll ur units the way you want and if you cannot do that in a fast game then ur micro sux in a fast game. Simple...

[Navaros]

Warskum - you're totally out to lunch about this.

[Warskum]

Warskum - you're totally out to lunch about this.

[Apollyon]

I might defend Navaros, but last time I did he shot his mouth off at me so I'll leave this well alone.

[Navaros]

I might defend Navaros, but last time I did he shot his mouth off at me so I'll leave this well alone.

post some linkage of that please.  how did i shoot my mouth off at you exactly? i don't remember that one.

[mordusxxx]

Well war back off man, I hear were nav is coming from, i cant say u are the best nav because i have beaten u and have lost with u in two vs two games. the point of the matter is, stop flaming this thread leave nav alone and go flame someone else this is nonsense u all start saying things about how nav is a bad person, etc. but u need to look at yourselfs and how u talk. yah who cares if he thinks he is the best dont we all in some way. so enough. and for the post. i agree with u whole heartedly, the most times i have beaten the best player online, brennq if u didnt know. was in a slow game, before i got my comp fixed, and i could micro alot easier, then we move to fast games and we have the same units etc. and he wins, all the time mostly, so that tells u two thinks. one he is a good player, and two the computer sometimes decides who wins a battle, so i agree with u on this subject to a point, but as most know i can micro very well on fast games like war said just not as good as in slow games when i have time to think about it

[Navaros]

Well war back off man, I hear were nav is coming from, i cant say u are the best nav because i have beaten u and have lost with u in two vs two games.

i do not recall you ever beating me in 2vs2 games. unless you can tell me what nick you were using and who my partner was, then it's safe to presume that this statement is entirely false.

[mordusxxx]

just yesterday and the day before man, wtf? i stick up for u then u call me a liar pfff. and i used this nick and maybe t0nyz we played numerous games, me and darnnoobs vs u and some other guy, u went guild and lost. and me and u vs cbrick and sendakon .

[Navaros]

just yesterday and the day before man, wtf? i stick up for u then u call me a liar pfff. and i used this nick and maybe t0nyz we played numerous games, me and darnnoobs vs u and some other guy, u went guild and lost. and me and u vs cbrick and sendakon .

only game i "lost" since coming back to Emperor was one on 10k setts/Fishers and that wasn't really a game IMO (in a real game that went like that i woulda quit under 3 mins ) but i suppose that's what you're referring to.

[GUNWOUNDS]

well the ony thing that buggs me about what nav said.. is that he makes it seem like the computer decides all battles.

He says the two armies clash and then the computer decides the outcome cause everything happens so fast.

If this is true.. then that would mean that no person should be able to win consecutive battles.

Because after all.... there is no micro strategy (or there is less) and thus it is pretty much randomn or lucky if you win a battle.

However you take people like brennq .. who only play games at blazing speeds... and this guys wins 99 percent of all his games.

If everything is so chancy and random and iffy... in fast games how do teh same people dominate over and over and over?

Obviously the computer doesnt decide the outcome.

[Navaros]

i acknowledge that micro, strats and tactics still play a role in fast games - they are just a GREATLY DIMINISHED ROLE

a poor player still won't beat a great player in a fast game.

[cbrick04]

Sad to be the one to inform you of this Nav, but there is alot of strat to fast games too. Such as- when fighting a group of saws and sards vs another group of saws and sards, do I put saws in front or sards in front? Do I use this same tactic vs dust and sards or bikes and sards? What can you

[Navaros]

again Cbrick i CAN play fast games well and on a personal note and i'm sure i've beaten you with many of the multinicks that you use to enter my games with during fast games

like warskum, you're just incapable of being able to understand that point that i've clearly made.  so i'm not going to argue with you although anyone reading past the potshots you're trying to take at me in your text will realize that what you've said has CONFIRMED everything i've said: the only things that really matter is what units you happen to run in front of the enemy units:  NOT decisions and tactics that are used *DURING* combat

[Warskum]

I ll try to explain it one more time:

Playing a fast game requires more skill, becuz the level of the gameplay goes up, u have less time to do the things, if you manage to do the right thing fast in a fast game then ur micro and skills are better then a player who playsin slow games.

The reason Mord won the slow games vs brennq is becuz brenn hates slow games and he probly got bored to death, then Mord lost in a fast game, not becuz brennq was lucky but becuz brennq has the skills to micro in a fast game while mord's micro isnt that fast and thus bad in a fast game.

The reason why Mord's micro is not as goood as brennq's is, is becuz he always played slow games and thus never developed his skills further the a certain point, becuz you dont need a lots of skills to micro in a slow game since everything goes slow, but it requires a lots of skill to micro properly in a fast game. So some1 who plays fast games has more skills then some1 who plays slow games. And if some1 actually likes slow games then that person just doesnt has the skills to play a fast game.

[Navaros]

The reason Mord won the slow games vs brennq is becuz brenn hates slow games and he probly got bored to death, then Mord lost in a fast game, not becuz brennq was lucky but becuz brennq has the skills to micro in a fast game while mord's micro isnt that fast and thus bad in a fast game.

The reason why Mord's micro is not as goood as brennq's is, is becuz he always played slow games and thus never developed his skills further the a certain point, becuz you dont need a lots of skills to micro in a slow game since everything goes slow, but it requires a lots of skill to micro properly in a fast game. So some1 who plays fast games has more skills then some1 who plays slow games. And if some1 actually likes slow games then that person just doesnt has the skills to play a fast game.

if Brennq lost due to being "bored" (presuming that IS the reason) then that just goes to show that Brennq has a crappy attention span in which case he's not a good player - because a good player of Emp NEEDS a strong attention span.    it also makes sense tho, that those with a low attention span would like fast games more than slow games.  and as someone who can dominate in both fast AND slow games - i know for a FACT that you learn more and develop more if you've learned Emperor as a result of playing slow games.  by learning Emperor in slow games, you pick up the subtleties and nuances. the small little things that determine the Winner of a combat engagement.  those who only ever have played fast games will NEVER have an opportunity to observe this and hence be the worse Emperor players for it.  the last statement of your post is the exact opposite too:  if someone doesn't like slow games, that is because he does not have the SKILL to compete in a slow game.

[Warskum]

if Brennq lost due to being "bored" (presuming that IS the reason) then that just goes to show that Brennq has a crappy attention span in which case he's not a good player - because a good player of Emp NEEDS a strong attention span.

[Navaros]

you have to hit hotkeys faster in fast games and click your mouse around the map faster. ok, i can agree with that.