Stop Blurring-Out Stuff you IMBECILES!!!!!

[lowzeewee]

It is just like one of your child dying.They cannot take the pain and depression.

And for your school,belziel,by giving out condoms,your school is encouraging premaritial sex instead of encouraging protected sex,almost-protected premaritial sex i mean.it is possible to get pregnant even if you use a condom you know?

When they use up all the condoms,they will start having unprotected sex and that will lead to early pregnancies...

I think you guys' countries are just too liberal compared to mine. ::)

[Babylon]

Ok, this topic is way off-topic, but I don't think anyone minds.

Nema Fakei? Are you serious? You sound like a Catholic priest... 200 hundred years ago! You're acting like everything a normal (yes NORMAL) Dutch teenagers does is illigal, bad and that he/she will go to hell (after getting countless deseases). I'm 60% certain you are pulling our leg. Please let it be so.

The Art of Peonism: Our country is very liberal, but it didn't cause us harm. Quite the oppesit. We are one of the most pleasant countries to live in: Low poverty, low crime, high education, high economy.

Eric E.: You're numbers aren't excactly right. The average age is a bit higher m/f 17/16, but still. Ok (I was 18, not married and did it safe (double dutch eg. condom, pill)). Another thing, abortion isn't something we promote in the Netherlands, but it is allowed. If it's your last change (for real) you to would consider not to do it. (And you are only allowed 2~3 abortions, after that, most docters will not give it to you.)

In short: The Netherlands are liberal, true, but calling premaritial sex disgusting is wrong. Let people decide for themself.

On-topic: Allmost nothing is blurred out in The Netherlands (xcept for MTV, but he, that's not originally a Dutch station). Fucking in family movies (no penisses shown going in out of vaginas, but just to people getting it on) and allmost every Dutch movie has some nudity. Just be proud of your body.

And in The Netherlands it's quite normal to go brush your teeth while your sister is taking a bath or something. It's not that every time you see your sister naked you jump here. Come'on it's your sister.

And one last note:

As chef said in South Park:

"What is the right age to start having sex?"

"17"

[Jack Leaf]

"I am quite sure, that you will see your sister or your mom naked"

Dunno what you scandinavians do up there, Jack, but it isn't what we do...

Sauna. Almost forgot.

[Guest Eric E.]

Eric E.: You're numbers aren't excactly right. The average age is a bit higher m/f 17/16, but still. Ok (I was 18, not married and did it safe (double dutch eg. condom, pill)). Another thing, abortion isn't something we promote in the Netherlands, but it is allowed. If it's your last change (for real) you to would consider not to do it. (And you are only allowed 2~3 abortions, after that, most docters will not give it to you.)

Im pretty sure those statistics are correct, It says so in a book, But ok let's not kwibble over definitions

I just said abortion was allowed, My numbers aren't correct?

Also, You are pretty retarded if you get pregnant 3 times, while you don't want a child.

The netherlands is NOT a great country to live in:

Exremely high taxes

High crime ( In city's like amsterdam, Rotterdam And Utrecht )

Most retarded goverment you can imagine.

And for your school,belziel,by giving out condoms,your school is encouraging premaritial sex instead of encouraging protected sex,almost-protected premaritial sex i mean.it is possible to get pregnant even if you use a condom you know?

What the heck are you talking about?

Giving out condoms is encouraging protected sex, And it's not possible to get pregnant if you use a condom the proper way.

your school is encouraging premaritial sex instead of encouraging protected sex

I don't know what you're talking about.. Im talking about 15 year old kids here, non of them have plans for a marriage, though they're in love and they want to have sex. Honestly I think any non religous kid has sex before his marriage.

[Babylon]

I just said abortion was allowed, My numbers aren't correct?

Also, You are pretty retarded if you get pregnant 3 times, while you don't want a child.

Yes, then you would be. Never said she wasn't ;)

The netherlands is NOT a great country to live in:

Exremely high taxes

High crime ( In city's like amsterdam, Rotterdam And Utrecht )

Most retarded goverment you can imagine.

Compared to most other countries (say 95%), we do have a great country :P

I don't know what you're talking about.. Im talking about 15 year old kids here, non of them have plans for a marriage, though they're in love and they want to have sex. Honestly I think any non religous kid has sex before his marriage.

Well, I do know some. But they are Straight Edge :)

[Guest Eric E.]

Compared to most other countries (say 95%), we do have a great country

roflmao, no comment

[Babylon]

you rather have

-the poverty of [fill in allmost any south-american or african country here]? (or even the US)

-the crime numbers of say the US or Russia? etc.

-the education level of China? Iran? etc.

-the economy of [fill in allmost any south-american or african country here]

-the political system of any dictator ship? China? US? (at least what the majority of country chooses gets to run the country. I didn't choose this government (way to right winged for me), but it is what 'the country wanted' (unlike the US for example))

no, I will take The Netherlands any day! IMHO there are only 2~3 countries who have it better then we do (and yes, most of those are Scandanavian).

in short: stop whining!

[Guest Eric E.]

-the crime numbers of say the US or Russia?

You can't put those countries in comparison.

the education level of China? Iran?

No but the education level of USA would do just fine.

the economy of [fill in allmost any south-american or african country here]

No but our neighbor's ( Germany ) economy would do just fine.

the political system of any dictator ship? China?

Nah, I'd rather have PvDA/CDA choosing my faith ( if there is such a thing as faith ) ROFLMAO. J/K GO LPF

Countries like luxemburg have it alot better than we do.

[Babylon]

So you want a comby of The US/Germany/Luxemburg runned by the LPF? If The Netherlands ever get that way, I'm moving. (I'm also moving if it's only like The US or sollely run by those nutcases of the LPF)

[Terror]

"The average man (boy) loses his virginity at an age of 16

The average girl on the other hand loses her virginty at an age of 14"

That's disgusting.

well, i read the average was 16 for both species. I find that not too bad

"Decency? Coffey shops sell drugs to 14 year old kids, where is the decency there?"

Pff! That's not sensible, either.

This i have never heard of. It may just as well happen, but not legal, so no difference here from other countries.

"premaritial sex should be encouraged"

Why?

I do not realy care, it's all your choice

"Most non religious people don't even get married in my country."

Well, that's their problem. Besides, marriage doesn't have to be religious. It can be solely legal, for Atheists.

hmm, k

"At school they told me 16 Is a good age to have sex!"

Your school needs fundamental changes in its ethical code. 16 is far too young!

16 is pretty good i guess yeah.

[Guest Eric E.]

So you want a comby of The US/Germany/Luxemburg runned by the LPF? If The Netherlands ever get that way, I'm moving. (I'm also moving if it's only like The US or sollely run by those nutcases of the LPF)

That would be heaven, We would be one of the riched countries in the world in an instant!

I'm talking about the real LPF lead by pim, not the jackasses that run it now, unfortunatly, Pim fortuyn was killed by one of those ''Groen links'' assholes.

[Babylon]

Before I go offtopic I'll start a new topic about that. I'll edit this post in a minute with the link.

SHIT, I can't I have to leave. But I will get back to you about the biggest mistake the Dutch political system ever made (Letting Fortuin join..)

[Guest Eric E.]

I hope you are prepared for a war ;)

[gryphon]

"''That's disgusting. ''

It's normal"

That does not make it acceptable!

Yes it does. . the things that are considerd normal by any group in society are considerd acceptable for them. They might not be fot the group you are in, but for them they are. Making neither of the two optiong acceptable for both.

"''Why?''

Cause As i've said before, losing your virginity at an age of 16 is normal here."

Again, that is no excuse.

Same as above, if it is a custom in our society, there is no need for an excuse why it should be normal.

Right, that's it. I'm taking over the Netherlands. I did not quite know it was that bad... but now... I'll have to learn dutch...

Think before you act Nema ;) The Dutch language isn't all you will need to learn if you deside to take it over. . . you are above the age of 16 as I remember correctly ? ;)

The longer you wait, the better it is 8)

Be carefull, the longer you waith for something, the more it will loose it's magic. . ..you won't want it anymore ....

In short: The Netherlands are liberal, true, but calling premaritial sex disgusting is wrong. Let people decide for themself.

I think that is one of the best things in the Dutch culture, we let anyone deside for themself within the limits of not bothering [ hurting ] others with what they do. Although in some cases this has led to verry strange situation I must admit. Situations that should have been prevented.

[ like the mini-war going on with descrimination ]

The netherlands is NOT a great country to live in:

Exremely high taxes

High crime ( In city's like amsterdam, Rotterdam And Utrecht )

Most retarded goverment you can imagine.

I agree on most things, although I also like this country more then [ almost ] any other I have been to. Just that the taxes are so darned high and government. . . well. . I rather have a local busdriver be in controle I imagine .. . .

Know that I am reacting a little late on this topic. Although think my position is clear with the above. I see no reason why anyone who whould want to have intercourse before there mariage should be prohibited to do so by another ones religion. And although some aspects I like myself, the current way in which sex and physicall attraction to the female body is used in commercials and idiology's shown to younger girls is some howe revolting to me. Making them believe that they should have a perfect and sexual body and preform certains acts if they want to be "liked" by others. Not beloning to a group if you don't dress in certain [ extravagant] ways.

But what can I say, I am in the beginning of my 20's .. . have had sex and no planns on getting maried any time soon. .. .

[Acriku]

Gryphon, I have my ways to, how do you say...rekindle the fire?

[gryphon]

O that is so kinky dude ;)

Hope you will enjoy it :)

[Anathema]

I'm talking about the real LPF lead by pim, not the jackasses that run it now, unfortunatly, Pim fortuyn was killed by one of those ''Groen links'' assholes.

You're an idiot Eric. If the LPF members are jackasses then who was the idiot who selected them? And you're talking bullshit about those "Groenlinks assholes" having killed Fortuyn, just like all those other LPF fundamentalist assholes with big mouths but no political skill whatsoever.