US arranged 9/11?

[ordos45]

Apparently 30% of Germans under 30 thinks so. It's apparently because we wanted to go kill people and have a war, that we slaughtered 3,000 of our own people.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/07/24/german.poll.reut/index.html

BERLIN, Germany (Reuters) -- One-third of Germans under age 30 believe the U.S. government may have sponsored the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington, according to a poll.

And about 20 percent of Germans in all age groups hold this view, according to a survey of 1,000 people conducted for the weekly Die Zeit.

[Acriku]

Anything's possible, but I think they are seriously mistaken.

[TMA_1]

there is a general feeling of anger and bitterness against america, and I totally understand it. Still though I think there is a point where that anger goes into totally foolish ideas. such as this one, america did not do this. If they did, the muslim terrorists in afghanistan would not have admitted it and faught till they died.

[GhostHunter]

Talk about sickning, of course the US didn't arrange for 3,000 of their own citizens to die, just as they didn't arrange for 2,400 of their military personel to die in Pearl Harbor, really makes me wonder what type of sick-minded individuals are out there..

[SurlyPIG]

In an unrelated story, 31% of Germans under 30 are morons... ::)

There has been some pretty stupid, low stuff come from these people (not the Germans, the whistle-tweeting ya-yas in general), defiling American WWII memorials in France, vandalising a 9/11 memorial in New York, but this one takes the cake.

[Caid Ivik]

USA arranging a terrorist attack to encourage other terrorists on Bali and Casablanca? Self-crippling the economy for next two months? Nearly putting down the almighty Dow Jones? Germans were always people full of humor, we've seen in 1939...

[Dude_Doc]

Hah, the Germans should take a look on their own country. You do not hear all the sick things that's going on there. No, I'm not accusing the whole German population, but some time ago, we had this sick story of some canibal who cut off his "lovers" d_ck, okay, I'm not going to go much into it, you'll understand.... *pukes*

[Timenn]

In the Netherlands we have a magazine, and every there is an article about a specefic disaster, and that there are always people who see a conspiracy within it.

Like the aids in Africa. There are people who believe that aids was invented by the Western world to wipe out all the "poor" people in Africa.

It's totally nonsense, but there are people who believe this.

It must be from human nature to see conspiracies in all kind of things. So I'm not suprised that there are people who believe a conspiracy in this.

btw,

don't worry, the Dutch conspiracy is true >:D

[Dante]

Anything is possible. Considering the record both the American and British governments have for being honest I'd say it might just have a grain of truth.

Thinking about the people in charge (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, that other guy...) I wouldn't be surprised. On the other hand, it can't have been that easy to cover up if it's true...

Stranger things have happened, after all. A fake attack is usually used, such as the one used as an excuse to invade Poland, but a real attack works just as well. Better even. Since there is no proof to the contrary but as yet no proof to support the theory; for now it must remain just that. A theory.

[ordos45]

Anything is possible. Considering the record both the American and British governments have for being honest I'd say it might just have a grain of truth.

Thinking about the people in charge (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, that other guy...) I wouldn't be surprised. On the other hand, it can't have been that easy to cover up if it's true...

Stranger things have happened, after all. A fake attack is usually used, such as the one used as an excuse to invade Poland, but a real attack works just as well. Better even. Since there is no proof to the contrary but as yet no proof to support the theory; for now it must remain just that. A theory.

Did anyone even fall for Operation: Canned Goods?

[SurlyPIG]

Some people shouldn't watch the X Files so much...

[Dude_Doc]

Bah. If you really want conspiracies: try to figure out what Freemasonry, which is quite real, has to do with Illuminati, which is quite un-real. Or what about the Roswell crash? "A weather-baloon"? Or just a great hoax to make people believe that there is aliens, and for what reason... Theories within theories...

[Danuary]

noone has ever thought it could be some eccentric rich guy who didn't like the farmer somehow and made him beleive in aliens. :O

[IxianMace]

The idea that the US arranged the deaths of all the people in the WTCs on 9/11 is almost beyond my comprehension. I remember the feeling of utter shock when I saw the images for the first time during an 'interruption of regular programs' for an on the spot news update, of the first aircraft crashing into one of the towers. The thought that such an act could have been 'arranged' by the US is unbelievable.

[Hawat]

*ahem* perhaps im the only one who can speak for the germans...

Caid: Im trying to ignore this, this is a poor comment... Germans still have to bear the weight of that and they're tired of it. And may i point to the all the rascist movements in the USA? White Power, Hammerskins...? That doesn't mean im accusing the USA in general, i only want to say that rascism/nazism isn't reserved for germans only.

I don't think the germans who took part in this poll believe that the USA actually arranged the incident. The opinions i heard from various people in my sourroundings say that the USA knew of this incident but didn't do everything possible to stop it. Perhaps in order to have an argument for a war? *This isn't my personal view* (Same as you i were really shocked by the incidents i can't think of anyone arranging this)

Dude_Doc: Yeah that cannibal story was really weird, but there are weird people in all countries... I don't want to know how many similar cases were never discovered... Here in Germany or elsewhere

[Danuary]

I also am German and it seems like america likes to pick on germany for every little incident that happens there, they say that all germans are gay, canibals, or anything else wich comes to mind, wich is clear racism but noone seems to pick on it like they do with white/black, you will see more hype over people with black racism then german racism, in fact I don't think some people even consider it racism because we are both the same skin colour, like seriousy now a days skin colour racism is practically gone but are people still hyping getting rid of it when theres none there, they use it as an excuse to forget the racism about brazillians, chinese, natives, and most other cultures. Its the US's way of pretending that they're sorry so they cn ignore all the other forms of racism.

in my opinion they did something with the survey, the newgroups did either exaggerated it or talked to people they thought wouldn't know anything, but if you know that in germany they don't have voilent computer games so if they play them they think flowers comes out of wounds (serious sam) so they obviously wouldn't understand death that well since there is very little death around them.

[Edric O]

Do not let your emotions get the best of you. Why is it so hard to believe that a government could arrange the murder of 3000 of its citizens? Worse things have happened.

I'm not saying that this "conspiracy theory" is true, I'm only saying that you shouldn't dismiss it on purely emotional grounds.

[Hawat]

C'mon, that with the violent games is also exaggerated. Yeah, we have a morally-obsessed culture here, but i don't think that is a problem to get violent bloody computer games. A strict control system doesn't render the germans to uneducated children, who have no understanding of death.

[Caid Ivik]

*ahem* perhaps im the only one who can speak for the germans...

Caid: Im trying to ignore this, this is a poor comment... Germans still have to bear the weight of that and they're tired of it. And may i point to the all the rascist movements in the USA? White Power, Hammerskins...? That doesn't mean im accusing the USA in general, i only want to say that rascism/nazism isn't reserved for germans only.

I don't think the germans who took part in this poll believe that the USA actually arranged the incident. The opinions i heard from various people in my sourroundings say that the USA knew of this incident but didn't do everything possible to stop it. Perhaps in order to have an argument for a war? *This isn't my personal view* (Same as you i were really shocked by the incidents i can't think of anyone arranging this)

That's view of Schroeder, which gave him the chancellery.

German feeling of being some kind of "superpower" has nothing with racist theories, don't hide revanschism for WW1 behind your disagreement with nazism. We had enough of this prussian magnificiency. It is laughable: not saying that Hohenzollers were too low even for bohemian princesses...

[Hawat]

Sorry? Your last post is a little bit unclear...

Schroeder's view? Perhaps he adapted this, but i heard this theories even before he could state an official comment on 9/11.

Well, perhaps it was a little component in his success, but surely not the main reason. His anti-war comments were crucial for his success in his re-election campaign.

You clearly alluded to our "beloved" F

[Caid Ivik]

Then read it once again and think before you post. German hostility against USA is based on prussianism, which was ashamely defeated in 1918. That's what I've called "humor of 1939". German lust for power to counter the hated Anglosaxons.

[Hawat]

The hated Anglo-Saxons? Not under Hitler's regime... He sought an alliance with England and tried to keep neutrality with the USA. The French were the nemeseis of these years. The germans hated France with a passion, but not the USA. From the prussian era to Hitler's era it were always the french neighbours.

Sorry, but that doesn't sound logical. Today's anti-americanism just a follow-up of the american resentments that happened nearly a century ago? Meanwhile many things have changed here, after the war the americans were really welcome. Adenauer tried to stick to America in all his policies, for what many people still blame him today, because it delayed the fusion of BRD and DDR. The generation of '69 was in general in this "where-all-the-same" mood and i don't know of any anti-americanism there. Today's resentments are just an outcome of G.W.Bush's policiy in the last years.

[Caid Ivik]

Hitler himself tried to calm English down. But without revanschistic thoughts he wouldn't continue with that nonsense bombardement of London. He wouldn't even start. Adenauer is a bright show that not every german is such. Well, there isn't only Prussia, there is also Bavaria... Fact is that Adenauer was installed by Americans.

Today's hate against USA has no difference than protests against their interventions in Korea, Vietnam and Kuwait. France and Germany found a common enemy, which they secretly blame for their lack of power: from first meeting between de Gaulle and Adenauer they seem strangely friendly...

[Hawat]

You're speaking on a political level, mainly pointing to the politican resentments... I was refering to the german population, whose attitude changed over the years from pro-americanism to anti-americanism.

The germans and french weren't the only ones protesting against vietnam, korea etc. Vietnam was deuced from the own american population, the vietnam grunts were not celebrated as the shining G.I.s after WWII.

Hitler had no other possibilites, until the invasion of poland the Brits were always applying their appeasment-policy, trying to cooperate with Hitler's wishes. After that they declared war and Hitler, who was'nt the clever militarist some may think of him, pressed forward and attacked england. But even after that, he tried still to reach an alliance with GB. He sparred the british soldiers which were evacuated from france in a risky undertaking, in order to have a better foundation for negotiations about a peace treaty.

[Caid Ivik]

Hitler did it, you've hit the point. He was the lord, no one would go against him.

But still, altough there are antiamericans even in other countries, France and Germany, alongside arab world, form the core of this movement. Not whole their population, of course, but this course leads the majority. Which elects antiamericans and nationalists as well.